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As can be seen I have added a LOT of great changes to this page. I put every "Textbox" that was here before with a few exceptions in the Blog section so you can find them easier when you return to them, I changed nothing in the info and kept the same titles. Thank you for your suggestions- keep them coming!

O.K. Atheists.....Answer this testimony!

John Clayton tells us about his life, his studies that led him away from atheism, as well as events in his life that led him to those studies. You won't agree but think about it, why would an avowed Atheist change if there is no God? And remember its NOT the same as the "So-called Christians" who become Atheists because they were NEVER REALLY Christian from God's view.

If you have a heart it will be Broken watching this!

The following teaching is presented ONLY for those who are serious about NOT ending up in hell after a life spent in Religious servitude to God they NEVER REALLY KNEW. This is a fact of scripture and many people will go to hell simply because they do not take the time in this life to make sure they are truly saved and belong to God!
"A Skeptic is one who instinctively or habitually doubts, questions, or disagrees with assertions or generally accepted conclusions."
If your having trouble getting your mind around Creation Science then just go to the bottom of this page and see and read the proof in plain English.

I love you and God loves you!

If you have come to this page by accident, welcome to the Truth. If you are a skeptic or even an Atheist at heart, thank you for reading my presentations of biblical facts from an OPEN MIND without PRE-determined thoughts about the questions. Honest skepticism is welcome here! If you are an Occultist of any kind..I personally welcome you to this page, because I WAS where you are. And If you CLAIM to be Christian, towards the BOTTOM of this page is YOUR PERSONAL CHALLENGE to live as Jesus did in THE HERE AND NOW!
Always Remember that God never calls you by your SHAME he always calls you by your name!

"Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. . ." – Mere Christianity

Witchcraft: the real truth exsposed! Some personal Testimonies of Deliverance from Darkness!

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Can God deliver from deep depression and darkness? The answer to this question is of course..YES...YES...YES!!!
Just think about it....If your "god " can't deliver from anything...WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU SERVE IT? If God is God then He should be able to accomplish anything no matter what it my be..right? Well I'm here to tell you that JESUS CHRIST is God and HE CAN AND WILL SAVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE...he love's you deeply. Photobucket The personal testimony of Clarence F. Sargent..... C.S. Lewis once said: “A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” and Albert Einstein said:“What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism” My name is Clarence; I’m a Minister of the Gospel of the true and living God. My life was changed in Aug of the year 1979 when I accepted Jesus into my heart. I now ask you to sit back and listen to what I have to say, don’t judge what I’m saying before I finish. I have no illusions that I will change your mind about what God can and will do for your life; BUT I do know for a fact that IF you will believe what I’m telling you today that your life will never be the same. I was raised in a small town called Taunton Mass after having moved from Ellsworth Maine where I was born where to this day, I do not know who my real mother and father were but because I know of the Sovereignty of God and his personal care of my life, I can go on with my life knowing his plans have my best interest at heart. In his plan, I was adopted at birth by a very loving couple who was childless and really wanted me, my mother Mary a back-slidden Baptist and my Father Alexander Sargent an agnostic when it came to all things spiritual. But realize that I only found out about my adoption at 29 years old; long after both my mom and my dad had died and I had already become a Christian, I received a letter from the social security administration telling me of a Sister who wished to get in touch with me. My Sister Shirley told me that my real mom ( A full blooded native American Indian) had wanted an abortion because she could not care for me and my siblings (this is the ultimate rejection of a child before they have time to ever see the world.) Photobucket She was actually at the doors of the clinic when some pro-life people talked her into adoption instead of murdering me, thank God for those who will stand up and stand out in this world for something good; if they had not, I would be among the millions a dead babies in a dumpster somewhere. I think you know where I stand on abortion as a result of this personal experience? I was rasied in a lower middle class family and not used to the so-called "good things in life" as far as wealth is concerned but I was loved and that’s what really mattered anyway.
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BUT all that was soon to change because of a stupid decision of mine. I began to practice the occult in my teen years; but it all started one afternoon when I was 6 years old sitting in front of the “boob tube” watching an innocent television show called “Bewitched” from the moment that show aired I was hooked on the concept at least, of witchcraft; very innocently at first but nevertheless hooked. The Craft appealed to me on so many levels both physically and spiritually. I was already an introvert with very few friends and low self esteem in school, other than the few "out-casts" smoking dope in the parking lot of my school. And being an only child caused me to develop many imaginary friends. Now I believe this is Healthy, to a point, but as I grew up these imaginary friends transformed to drive my interest in the Occult and Drugs. They were demonic in nature and not the "imaginary friends" I thought they were. My interest was peaked and driven by these "familiar spirits" while watching that show and I went headlong into a downward spiral from there. But EVEN AS a child I knew that " Hollywood Witch-craft " was not the real thing; which is the reason I desired to know the real practices and THEREIN lies the true danger of parents allowing their children to view and read things WITHOUT PROPER SUPERVISION; the television is NOT a babysitter. Please understand, that it’s alright for an older child to be curious about these things. Just as long as YOU the Christian parent are there to guide them away from the "evil nature" of the content. Explaining to them why God hates those things in a reasonable manner not to frighten but inform. Let's face it;it’s the great special effects that are the lure into the trap. But that will not stand before a holy God at the judgment seat as your excuse why your family fell victim to the Crafts lies.
I dedicated myself without any direction from adults, to find out about this ancient earth religion. As I began studying and looking for deeper truths in the world of magic and sorcery I was witness both to its "beauty of focus" and its pure "savagery of intent".
It wasn’t until after my adopted Mom died when I was only 17 that I was free to do as I pleased....and boy did I do as I pleased!
I jumped headlong into drugs, Drinking, and Partying while trying to keep up a c+ to b average in high school. Failing many courses because a lack of focus on them and because many of my teachers just wanted me out of their classes passing me through without the proper training. I became a Wiccan but only as a private practitioner taking a course in the art of magic by Gavin and Yvonne Frost. The Wiccan fascination I had did not last very long as I was hungry for a darker side; the more power and knowledge of the occult the better. I began to delve deeper and deeper into the so-called "Deep things of Occult Knowledge“. I found myself reading Anton LaVeys "Satanic Bible" just to rebel against the God who I felt “TOOK MY MOM FROM ME”.
I began mixing in Aleister Crowley's works on magic with the Wiccan practices. I would study these books and many others on my lunch and library breaks. I found that the the "Man, Myth, and Magic" encyclopedia series was a great source of knowledge and read from it every day. But Just about anything dealing with works on Witchcraft I would give place to, "Drawing down the Moon" was a favorite of mine.
The occult became an obsession! A lifestyle that I was hooked on just like my drug use, it became a “Mind-altering“ experience. I learned still more from friends and people I didn't know closely. Many of them were Questionable at best but they knew what I wanted to know, how to tell fortunes and use Tarot cards and playing cards to make money on the side.
I began to cast spells on others, while I worshiped the horned god and the goddess. I mixed all this knowledge together to form my own form of the Craft, never being a conformist I made it my own and would put it all in my journal called a "Witches Book of Shadows".
The Book of Shadows is a Witch's greatest tool. It provides a place for all personal Craft secrets, your spell work, rituals, family traditions if you have any, almost anything a Witch can think or act on is contained in this book.
As I figured out what my personal practices were I would write them in this journal.
This was my personal "bible" to turn to anytime I needed help with a spell or spiritual concept, its ancient name is called a "Grimoire".
I soon found out that when I would cast spells of evil intent on those I hated or disliked it began to work and I would also work "good magic" on those I liked that worked also. Everything seemed to be going my way. But the problems I was going through at this time in life had nothing to do with what happened to me in the daytime hours when I worshiped other gods and goddesses. It wasn't even my study time in the craft when I gained deeper knowledge and power as a black witch. My real problems began at night time, it was an issue of fear and discontent both in my dreams and waking hours. I was in a constant deeply seated fear at the height of my power as a witch. And no matter what anyone tells you about the Craft; good or bad it will produce the same results that any lifestyle outside of God’s grace produces, and that is DEATH IN YOUR LIFE.
Deut. 7:26 says: “Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.”
Lev. 20:27; 19:26 the second part of the verse says: “A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist (wizard KJV) among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads. Do not practice divination or sorcery.”
Lev. 20:6 says: “I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists (wizards KJV) to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.”
Is. 47:13-14 says clearly: “ Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. “ I am a Christian now and I’m proud of it, but I’m NOT RELIGIOUS and will not fit willingly into any denominational mold.
I mean let’s be real here-Religion has killed and maimed it’s share of truth at the alter of good intention JUST as atheism has murdered it’s share FREE-THOUGHT.
Let’s face real facts here for once shall we? BOTH RELIGION AND HUMANISM have dropped the ball as far as getting it right is concerned, so let’s not blow smokescreens up each others HINDQUARTERS about what’s true and what’s not.
A personal relationship is what God requires, he’s never been interested in “Church-ianity” or any form of man-made silliness.
It’s about YOU and God, and not about YOU FITTING INTO A MOLD of like minded minds. I am always amazed when those who hate God say “I cannot be a part of a faith that attacks science and reality.” as if science were a humanistic invention, if you believe that you must have failed in history. Science has many Christian roots. Most of the early scientists were Christians such as Copernicus, Galileo, Pascal, Isaac Newton, Johannes Keppler, Robert Boyle, Louis Pasteur, Jean Henri Fabre, Michael Faraday, and John Ambrose Fleming.
These great scientists operated within a Christian framework.
An interesting fact is that the vast majority of all scientific development has come out of western civilization, what are the odds of that happening? And IT had Christianity as its basis to top that off.
The idea is that the “laws of nature” came from Christianity, NOT HUMANISM; not to mention that the concepts of subduing nature and being stewards of nature are right from the first book of the Bible--Genesis and not in any way the invention of witches.
THAT IS WHY I view God as a rational and trustworthy person, which implies automatically that His creation is rational and orderly and thus can be examined FOR EVIDENCE OF HIS FINGERPRINTS.
Nature in the Christian view (as compared to our non-Christian worldviews such as witchcraft) is that nature is no longer an object of fear and worship, because let‘s face it…we only “worship in ignorance” what we “Fear in ignorance”. God on the other hand only DEMANDS KNOWLEDGEABLE WORSHIP. It is “False Religion” that MYSTIFIES GOD to the point that you can’t relate to him BUT must “BLINDLY FOLLOW PRECEPTS AND RULES THAT MAKE NO SENSE” to a freethinking mind. We need to do a self-check, to make sure we get rid of all of our idols, good luck charms, crosses, medallions, and demonic symbols. We must repent fully of trusting in fate, destiny, and luck: and put our whole trust in the Living Christ, follow Him wholeheartedly without exception to our fears from the past.
Trusting in fate or luck is clearly a dependence upon evil spirits which I knew as “familiars.”
Now getting back to my testimony, as I alluded to earlier God’s plan for my life was set long before I was ever born and no matter what bad decisions I was making; up to this point, in fact I was on the very path to running into his power; that I had been running from, because he had the nerve to put two Christians into my life that could not be SCARED OR MOVED by my appearance or actions.
REMEMBER I was a full out witch in both dress and lifestyle, they kept coming anyway, day after day and that impressed me. They were always inviting me to go to their church and NEVER GIVE UP ON ME!
And so, one fateful Wednesday night Bible Study I sat at the BACK of this little Church of God in Cheyenne Wyoming. I came into the sanctuary half Drunk and half High, not wanting to be there at all.
Much of the service I cannot recall BUT I do remember hearing the statement that God “did not hate me for what I'd done, no matter how bad but that HIS LAWS REQUIRED HIS JUDGMENT on my soul”
God’s LOVE reached down and touched this Witch and suffered him NOT to live a life without hope, reviving me into NEW LIFE with Christ!
I witnessed a literal shaft of Light shine down into my darkened mind and for the first time in over 8 years I could think for myself without the "VOICES OF DEMONS" interfering with my thoughts. That evening the "night in my soul" became "DAYTIME" for me and now I can proudly say I am a new creation. All the OLD dark things "HAVE PASSED AWAY" as useless relics of the past and Jesus is my Lord and Savior!
Of course there are those who will think "Well, that's you, you were "special to God" and he loved you then, more than me now. I've done too many "sick and unforgivable" things for God to love me!" THAT IS A LIE!
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God loves ALL MANKIND EQUALLY AND WITHOUT BEING PARTIAL TO ANY PERSON.
It is Satan, the MASTER of the HALF-TRUTH that tells us these things.
It is only because HE LOST IT ALL TO HIS OWN PRIDE that he wants YOU to suffer for his stupidity by following his path.
Don't let him lie to you, God thinks as much of you as he does of his own son. Just give him your heart and he'll do the rest!
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A spiritual adventure of another witch: "My walk in darkness began when I was about three. I was sexually abused by my father. Unable to cope with the trauma, I developed alternate personalities to carry out the everyday demands of life. I retreated from life as much as I could, and had no real friends until Eighth grade.
Growing up in a hostile, abusive environment, I became addicted to seconals as a teenager, and I experimented with a great many drugs. My preference was always LSD. I dated and married abusive men. There was much violence in my life, a lot of death, a lot of horror. I never knew peace. Because my father read the Bible a lot, and shouted scriptures, I was confused about Jesus.
I became fascinated by the occult. I believed that my will, if strong and directed properly, could change anything. This is one of the foundations of witchcraft, which I started to embrace. I found the study appealing at the time, though difficult.
I began to be haunted in my dreams by a woman dancing in a way I had never seen before. It was breathtakingly beautiful. Supposing she must be another witch who wanted to teach me something, I began looking for her.
I was getting sick. Physically, the doctors could find nothing wrong. I was getting thinner, and increasingly, the spirits I thought I controlled were beginning to control me - taking over the body, while I was somewhere on the ceiling watching the horror they inflicted.
I called my best friend, who knew Jesus. She said, 'The Lord will bring a sword between us if you don't come out of witchcraft.' She had never known I was involved in witchcraft. I had kept her from knowing my beliefs. Then she asked me to visit a church where she knew they weren't afraid to help abused women. She asked me to promise to just sit through one service. I promised. She knew I would do all I could to keep my word.
I'm glad of that promise, because it was the only thing that kept me in my seat. I had been in and out of all kinds of churches, but none of them affected me because they were spiritually dead. The presence of the Lord was not there. But it was very different in this place! I was ill before I reached the door. Nauseous, and in pain - tearing pain - I rode an emotional rollercoaster. It was like some bad drug having an alien affect on me. Suddenly, I wanted to hurt people in the church. I wanted to hit them and tear the skin off their faces. I knew I had no personal problem with these people, to cause all these feelings to erupt. Then, when the haze of pain began to clear, who should I see dancing before the altar worshipping the Lord but the woman in my dreams!
Now, beside the promise, I had another reason to fight to stay. I was beginning to realize that there must really and truly be a God, a supreme God, just like all the Bible stories. That woman in my dreams was here. I gripped the chair in front of me until my knuckles turned white, and I stayed.
The pastor was such a gifted speaker, that even the pain and nausea began to fade as I concentrated on what he was saying. He was talking about Jesus but in a real way - one that I could relate to in everyday life. He had my attention.
As he was beginning to draw to a close, he stopped, as though he could hear something that we couldn't. Then he said, 'There is someone here whose only wish is to die, because she is so tired. Rae? Rachel? Rachel, will you come to me?'
In one overwhelming second, I suddenly knew that this God loved me, called me by name, and wanted to know me. Without hesitation I stood up. I had tried committing suicide several times in my life. I was so tired; all I had really wanted was to die. But God knew this. He had to have told this man, who was a stranger to me and yet had called me by name. I had to get to the front of the church! But the spirits took over and the battle was on. They recognized the pastor, and told him in the ugliest voice ever to come from my body, 'I know you!'
The pastor, must have somehow known by the Holy Spirit about these spirits. 'You will stop tearing the child,' he told them.
The pain stopped, but I began slithering like a snake. Then pray-ers in the church surrounded me. I couldn't breathe. I discovered later that that is an important sign. When evil spirits quit trying to intimidate, and show off by making the person unable to breathe, they are about to exit the body.
When I accepted Jesus, I immediately saw a glorious Being that I could not lift my unworthy face to look at. But the light . . . ! I can't describe it! There was a sword in his hands. It was covered in leaping flames. 'Take my sword,' he told me.
When I reached up for it I came into his world - Christ's realm. I was whole, and crying a river of tears - me who before would never allow myself to cry. There was healing in those tears.
I was also aware of the fear that the demons were in in those final moments. The Bible really is true: Every knee shall bow before Jesus. He is indeed Lord of Lords, King of Kings, and the Savior of our soul. There is no life and no peace without Jesus.
This is my birth experience into the Kingdom of the Living God. As 2 Timothy 1:7 says:
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline." Fear was the first spirit to enter me, but one of the first things I learned is that God is love."
I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch! . . .by William Schnoebelen "I was a witch! I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch!
When my "lady" and I chipped the ice out of a stream in the middle of Iowa wilderness to bathe and then celebrate the March equinox naked under the stars, we were totally consumed with zeal for the Wicca. We drove 170 miles one way every weekend to teach classes in Wicca in a car with a bumper sticker which said "In Goddess We Trust!"
We were kicked out of almost every apartment we tried to rent for wild circle dances and burning frankincense; and we had a firebomb thrown into one temple because we dared to publicly proclaim the goddess!
Wicca is one of the more seductive deceptions that Satan has come up with.(1) It is the contemporary name for the cult of so-called "white" witchcraft or Neo-Paganism, which has been enjoying a renaissance in the United States.
It claims to be a "back to nature" religion which worships the sky and earth, and thus has attracted many adherents among those sympathetic to environmental and ecology issues. Yet, for all its charm and nostalgic fantasy, Wicca drew me into the deepest quagmire of satanic evil imaginable.
Almost everything we did back then raised eyebrows. Regrettably, we see people today doing things openly that we had to do in secret. We see books that used to only be available in dark, musty occult bookstores now being sold openly in shopping malls. The meditation practices we taught in secret witchcraft circles are now being taught in "respectable" churches.
Naturally, we believed we were doing good. I was a sincere devotee of the chief deity of Wicca, the Great Mother. At first I believed the rites we did were for the benefit of humanity and the earth itself. I also believed what I was told: that there was a profound difference between the Wicca and those called satanists or devil-worshipers.
I thought that the whole meaning of Wicca was beneficial rituals to nature deities like Pan, Diana or Cernunnos; and of course rites of passage and initiation. I stood, blindfolded, naked and bound at the edge of the Circle "which is placed between the worlds." I heard the words of the Great Mother and felt the prick of the swordpoint challenging my courage. I was anointed as a "Priest of the Goddess" and learned her secret name. I gave my life to her service.
I truly believed that she was the One "who was with me from the beginning, and who was attained at the end of desire." I walked the earth and felt her a living, breathing thing; and I worshiped her as "Holy Mother Earth."
It took me sixteen years of ardent devotion to her and the Craft to find out that I was terribly wrong. I had to learn the hard way that my only hope for true spiritual fulfillment in life was Jesus Christ!
I finally learned in the most graphic fashion imaginable that the difference between witchcraft or Wicca and satanism is actually non-existent. To be sure, an anthropologist or sociologist of religion might find them different, but such distinctions mean little when you are gambling with the eternal fate of your own immortal soul.
The actual spiritual difference between Wicca and satanism might best be illustrated this way: Practicing Wicca is like having a hand-grenade blow up in your face, in terms of the spiritual impact. Practicing satanism is like having a neutron bomb detonate in your face. The difference is there and discernable, but it is still an utter disaster for you, either way.
In eternal perspective, the disaster of Wicca is altogether real and no less dangerous than that neutron bomb.
Why Should YOU Believe This Warning? Before we discuss this subject, allow me to give my credentials. I was initiated into the Alexandrian Wicca on Imbolc, February 2, 1973 and made a High Priest and Magus is September of the same year. That summer my lady and I were also promoted to the High Priestly rank in the Druidic Craft of the Wise. We also helped establish a Church of All Worlds "nest" in Milwaukee and studied under Gavin and Yvonne Frost and their Church and School of Wicca.
Wicca has many "denominations" or traditions. Some are large and well-known, like the Alexandrian, Gardnerian, Druidic, Welsh Traditionalist, Gerogian, Dianic and Church of Wicca. Others are as small as a single coven or 13, or even a family tradition.
My wife and I established covens all over the Midwest; Dubuque and Davenport, Iowa; Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin; and Chicago. Over the years, we advanced to higher levels of witchcraft. Up to our departure from the city of Milwaukee in 1984, we were presiding over one of the oldest and largest networks of covens in the Midwest.
About a year after becoming a High Priest (1974), I was told by our initiators that Wicca was not what it seemed. Although much of the extant literature written by witches (and Dr. Margaret Murray's work(2)) would lead one to believe that Wicca is a survival of the ancient pagan fertility cults, especially of Northern Europe and the British Isles; there is not a shred of real historical proof for any connection between Bronze Age cults and modern witchcraft.
I learned from our initiators that it seemed that Wicca is, in fact, a manufactured religion not much older than this century. There did not seem to be evidence for any Book of Shadows (a combined "bible" and ritual book for Wiccans) much older than the 1910's!
You see, Wicca is one of Satan's "nicer" creations, tailor-made for the last half of this century. Although it may have existed for perhaps a century at most, it "came out of the broom closet" in 1951, when the British laws against witchcraft were repealed.(3) It is nothing really new, but its packaging is subtly different, tailored to a world strangling on its own technology and dying for romance, idealism and meaning.
A Cult of Deception You may say: "So you got sucked in too deep. So what? I've been a witch for years and never got into that satanic junk. It's just a Christian myth for real losers. As long as I stay where I am, I'm cool. I'm happy!" That may be so, but do you honestly want to belong to a cult that deals in deception?
Let's look at the word, "Wicca," as an example. The OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY reveals that the word does not mean "wise one." It means twisted, bent, or warped. Even Margot Adler admits that the word has its roots in the Indo-European roots "wic" or "weik" meaning "to bend or to turn." Of course, she tries to put the best possible face on it by saying that:
"According to this view, a Witch would be a woman ( or man) skilled in the art of shaping, bending and changing reality." (4)
Elsewhere, she asserts that:
"The lexicographical (dictionary) definitions of witch are rather confusing and bear little relation to the definitions given by Witches themselves."(5)
But this is playing games, the same sort of word games most cultists play to conceal the truth. By this standard, anyone, including Anton LaVey, could say they were a witch and be right.
Yet you should hear the howls of rage among the Neo-Pagan community when even Gavin and Yvonne Frost first claimed to be witches. They couldn't be witches, they were monotheists, fakes and gay-bashers! So all of a sudden there WAS an objective standard of what makes one a witch. Yet like many things in occultism, it vanishes like mist when you try and pin it down.
In my own personal development as a witch, and the development of almost all our colleagues, I found that after about five or six yeaars it was necessary to begin pursuing the study of the "Higher Wisdom" of Satan in order to keep growing. Magick is like a drug. You keep needing more in order to stay at a level at which you feel fulfilled. There is no end to it!
If you've stayed a Wiccan or "white" witch for a long time, it's only because you don't have enough of the Promethean itch to grow. OR it may be that you have many Christian friends or loved ones praying for you. Did you ever think of that?"
FootnotesIntroduction1. Wicca, pronounced "Wicha," contrary to popular practice, is the term most witches prefer to use for their faith. They pronounce it "Wikka" and frequently assert that it means "Wise One."2. Margaret Murray's books, THE WITCH CULT IN WESTERN EUROPE and THE GOD OF THE WITCHES, did much to popularize the concept that Wicca is a survival of ancient religions. In recent years, though, their scholarship has been seriously challenged.3. See Margot Adier's DRAWING DOWN THE MOON, Beacon Press, Boston, 1986 rev. ed., p.46.4. Adler.p.11.5. lbid.p.10.
* This chapter was used by permission from William Schnoebelen's book Wicca:Satan's Little White Lie". &nb sp; Kimberly's Story - From Wicca to Christ "When I read Candace's story I couldn't help but feel an eerie sence of familiarity. Much of what had happened to her happened to me, just not to the same harsh extent. Growing up I had never been to church (beyond the occasional wedding) and my family never really spoke much of God or religion. We were a happy family and maybe that's why we never talked about God or questioned his existence. We never had anything bad happen to make us ask "why?". Then I became a teenager.
I don't know why I was attracted to the rebellious side of being a teen. I wasn't doing it on purpose, it's just what I really wanted to be like. My "crowd" wasn't a bad one, at least we didn't think so, but we got into trouble now and then. I started smoking, ciggerattes and marijuana,drinking and staying out all night and lying to my Mother. I was having sex at 13 and pregnancy scares at 14. I didn't care, I was having fun. Then it all went downhill.
I had broken up with my boyfriend of 5 years, and I was only 16. I started to do anything for any guy who would give me the time of day. Then I did get pregnant, and I thought maybe I had found love again, but it wasn't so. He never beat me but the verbal abuse I put up with threw me into a deep depresion. I tried so hard to be a good mother and house wife (even though we were not married) and nothing was ever good enough. He called me a slut and a whore. He refused to claim his daughter when he knew I was with no one else. He called me fat and lazy while I was pregnant. Sometimes I wished he would have beaten me. It probably would have hurt less. When I thought I could not take it anymore and was on the verge of suicide I happened upon something that would change my life.
I was watching an afternoon talk show one day. The subject was a new religion called Wicca. I heard them talk of thier love and worship of nature and all living creatures and the spiritual force of the earth and I was hooked. I went out and found everything I could on wicca. I trained and practiced and finally I proclaimed myself a bonafide witch. Wicca had opened up a whole new world for me. It gave me hope, it helped me with struggles, and it made me friends. It was a community where I belonged. For once I was happy. I found the courage to take my 3 year old daughter and leave her father, and it was the best choice I had ever made. I moved into my own apartment and I was in total bliss. No more complaining if something wasn't cleaned right or put away in the right place. I was finally on my own. But on your own can be a very lonely place.
I started to pray to my God and Goddess for someone to love me the way I needed to be loved. Someone that understood me. And it happened. He was perfect in every way and we really got along great. We saw each other for a couple of weeks and then we slept together and I never heard from him again. I found out a while later that he was a virgin and that he had only used me to "get it over with" so to speak. I was crushed. What self-esteem I had rebuilt was gone and I went wild. I started sneaking into bars and taking guys home I didn't even know for meaningless sex. Sometimes these guys were 30 or 40 years old and I was only 19 going on 20. I had gone from having had slept with nine people to twenty seven people in two months. I had given up all hope of ever finding someone to love. Then I met Jeff.
I met him while I was working at one of my twelve jobs that I had had in that year. I had never seen him before but I just couldn't get him out of my head. Well he kept coming back and it turned out that his ex-girlfriend was my co-worker and he had her ask me out. I said yes and we went to the only place I knew how to talk to guys at, the bar. We hit it off instantly and I could tell that he wasn't like other guys. At the end of the night he asked for my phone number but I knew as I handed it to him that he would never call. Much to my surprise the phone rang the next day and it was him asking me out on a second date. I twas the start of a long and beautiful relationship. But there was one problem. My beliefs were a conflict to his.
He was a strict Christian and I was a witch. He never said anything but I could tell it bothered him. So finally one night we sat down and talked about it. I explained to him that it was what I had chosen because I knew of no other choice. He would talk to me about God and the Bible and I had no idea of anything that he said. So he taught me. I resented it at first but then I started to see so many things falling in to place that I had given dumb luck and Wicca credit for. He explained to me that Christianity was not a religion, it was a relationship. He never got frustrated, even when I did and was patient.
Almost a year into our relationship I accepted Jesus Christ and became a Christian. I have never been happier. I realize now that my ultimate unhappiness came from not knowing where I was going. I know now. "
Kimberly S. Pa

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JESUS IS THE MESSIAH OF ISRAEL!

Isaiah 53:1-12" (1.)WHO HAS believed (trusted in, relied upon, and clung to) our message [of that which was revealed to us]? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been disclosed?(2.)For [the Servant of God] grew up before Him like a tender plant, and like a root out of dry ground; He has no form or comeliness [royal, kingly pomp], that we should look at Him, and no beauty that we should desire Him.(3.)He was despised and rejected and forsaken by men, a Man of sorrows and pains, and acquainted with grief and sickness; and like One from Whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we did not appreciate His worth or have any esteem for Him.(4.)Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].(5.)But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.(6.)All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all.(7.)He was oppressed, [yet when] He was afflicted, He was submissive and opened not His mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.(8.)By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who among them considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living [stricken to His death] for the transgression of my [Isaiah's] people, to whom the stroke was due?(9.)And they assigned Him a grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in His death, although He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.(10.)Yet it was the will of the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief and made Him sick. When You and He make His life an offering for sin [and He has risen from the dead, in time to come], He shall see His [spiritual] offspring, He shall prolong His days, and the will and pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.(11.)He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].(12.)Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great [kings and rulers], and He shall divide the spoil with the mighty, because He poured out His life unto death, and [He let Himself] be regarded as a criminal and be numbered with the transgressors; yet He bore [and took away] the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors (the rebellious)."
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March 14, 2009

The Real Jesus of History......

For the longest time now I have been sickened by the LACK of Atheistic scholarship in regards to the person of Jesus in history and their complete ignorance of him, because without this knowledge ALL of their conclusion lead no-where and deceive thousands of people into believing he never really existed...it is with this in my heart that I present this excellent article from here!

The Real Jesus of History
by Joel Stephen Williams

"Since many have undertaken to set down an orderly account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed on to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word, I too decided, after investigating everything carefully from the very first, to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus, so that you may know the truth concerning the things about which you have been instructed" (Lk. 1: 14; NRSV).

Was the real Jesus of history one and the same as the Christ of faith whom we read about in the New Testament and worship in the church? Was Jesus really raised from the dead? Is he really the divine Lord of lords? Or is it possible that the portrait of the divine Son of God is an exaggeration, at best, or a complete fabrication, at worst, of the original Jesus? Could the one whom Christians worship be merely a mythological creation or is he real?

These questions have exercised many great minds and have been the dominant issue in New Testament studies during this century. Between 1910 and 1950 approximately 350 lives of Jesus were published in the English language alone. Since then the numbers have increased significantly. 1 Not only are Christians writing about Jesus, but also Communists, Jews, atheists and agnostics are taking up their pens to paint a portrait of Jesus. Not only is this being done by the professional scholars, but also by playwrights, journalists and many others not academically qualified to pursue such a study within the canons and controls of proper historical enquiry. This has led Luke Timothy Johnson of Emory University to refer to some studies of Jesus as "Amateur Night."2 With a literature this immense it is obvious that we can only note a few high points in the lesson today, but a bibliography at the end of the booklet provides sufficient resources for a more thorough investigation by those who are interested.

In the past decade these questions have escaped the confines of scholarly journals and scholarly discussions and exploded on the scene as a question of newsworthy interest equal to wars, politics and sports. We are used to seeing world leaders on the cover of national news magazines, but Jesus has been making the cover of Time, Newsweek, and U. S. News & World Report with increasing regularity. Jesus has become the central character of musical and theatrical productions. We are used to seeing television documentaries on Hitler, Roosevelt or Einstein, but Jesus is the subject of numerous similar productions in the past decade.

Why the upsurge of interest? Why is a 2,000 year old story suddenly newsworthy? Unfortunately the media has been used, even manipulated, by a group of liberal, skeptical scholars to attempt a major act of historical revision. Too many of these media studies of Jesus imply that New Testament scholarship as a whole has come to certain conclusions about Jesus. These conclusions are that Jesus was not divine, that he performed no miracles, that he was not raised from the dead, and that the Christ of faith is a mythological creation of the early church. We are told that Jesus never did most of what the New Testament says he did and that he never said most of what the New Testament says he said. We are told that the Jesus who is worshipped in the churches is a figment of the naive, albeit pious, imagination of unsophisticated people. As Robert Funk, the founder of the Jesus Seminar, claims: "The only Jesus most people want is the mythic one. They don't want the real Jesus. They want the one they can worship."3

Religious news is not usually very good for selling papers. It is boring unless there is a scandal to report. The members of the Jesus Seminar have been quite newsworthy, though. Where else will you get one who is supposed to be a university scholar of the Christian religion saying something like this: "[Jesus was very likely] a party animal, somewhat shiftless, and disrespectful of the fifth commandment: Honor your father and mother." 4 The impression has been given that university scholars are exposing the gullibility of churches and ministers. The Jesus Seminar members have portrayed themselves as martyrs for truth against an evil empire—the church. That makes good press. But the tragic part of it all is that many casual observers are fooled by the rhetoric, and they reject Jesus as a result.

A balanced view of what can be known and what can be believed about Jesus is not being heard in much of the media. Because of "the sometimes grandiose claims made" by and for the skeptical, radical historical reconstructionists "as representing critical New Testament scholarship," other New Testament scholars have gone on the attack and responded that the Jesus Seminar, and others like them, do not represent New Testament scholarship as a whole. That remark was made by a professor from Emory.5 Another recognized New Testament scholar called them "an academic disgrace."6 A professor from Duke University said the case argued by the Jesus Seminar would not stand up in any court. He said that "many of its novel claims are at best dubious."7 Many similar sentiments could be produced.

The public on the whole is confused. Believers tend to dismiss these historical revisions of Jesus but without much real understanding of what is being said or how these scholars reach such skeptical conclusions. Unbelievers often accept these denials of the divinity of our Lord, assuming that they are valid, reasoned, sound historical conclusions of scholars and that anyone who believes in Jesus is simply naive. Because of this situation in our society at present, it is hoped that this pamphlet will bring some clarity to the issues and encourage faith in Christ for the reader.

The Two Extremes

One extreme in this debate is a radical skepticism. Ever since the publication of the writings of H. S. Reimarus in 1778, the belief of the church that Jesus was and is the Christ, the divine Son of God, born of a virgin, pre-existent deity incarnate in human flesh, worker of miracles, crucified for our sins, and resurrected to glory, has been under constant attack. The story of Jesus is undergoing a constant, radical reconstruction at the hands of skeptical critics. This revision of the portrait of Jesus claims to get behind the later embellishments of the original story to present the real Jesus of history. It is claimed that the Christ of faith, the Christ preached and worshipped in the churches, bears little resemblance to the real Jesus of history. The simple story of a Galilean peasant was supposedly enlarged and transformed into the story of a divine being.

The skeptical critics believe we can know almost nothing about the real Jesus of history. Dr. W. R. Inge, the former Dean of St. Paul's Cathedral, was supposedly asked by a publisher to write a life of Jesus. He responded: "As there are no materials for a life of Christ, I regret that I cannot comply with your request."8 Similarly, Rudolf Bultmann, the leading scholar of this century in demythologizing the story of Jesus, declared: "I do indeed think that we can now know almost nothing concerning the life and personality of Jesus."9

What needs to be understood very clearly is that this radical, skeptical way of thinking about Jesus did not come about due to some archaeological discovery. It did not result from some historical document, like the Dead Sea Scrolls, which called into question the picture of Jesus in the four Gospels. It did not come into existence because something was discovered in the biblical text which disproved what the church had always thought about Jesus. The skeptical view of Jesus is a historical reconstruction which is theory, and a tenuous one at that, which is based on certain presuppositions. The skeptics begin by affirming that there are no miracles, nothing supernatural in this world. Therefore, the story of Jesus cannot be true. They approach the text under the guise of doing dispassionate, unbiased historical research, when from the beginning the game has been fixed.

Critical study forms theories and then tests those theories against the evidence to see which theory best explains the evidence. The theory that Jesus actually was the divine Son of God is never given a chance to explain the evidence, because a presupposition eliminates it from consideration before the test even begins. Thus the skeptical critics offer a variety of alternative explanations, most of which can be summarized under one, single concept, their belief that the early church embellished the story of the real Jesus of history with later additions. They believe it is the critic's job to peal away those later additions and expose the small kernel of truth that remains.

Since an anti-supernatural presupposition has skewed the skeptic's research from the beginning, it is not surprising that different scholars find a different Jesus at the conclusion of their study. They are like people who look into a pool of water and observe a reflection of their own image. The Jesus they rediscover is different from the Jesus of the four Gospels. He is also different from the reconstruction of other critics, but he is very much like the Jesus each of the critics wants to find. Claude Montefiore, a liberal Jew, discovers that the real Jesus was a liberal Jew. Another writer finds a Jesus who advocates "living at ease" and "floating in the womb of the universe," the perfect Jesus for a new age world.10 Others find a politically correct Jesus who crusades for women's rights and the poor in a counter cultural egalitarianism. And, of course, we must admit that many Christians begin with traditional presuppositions. Not surprisingly they find the traditional Christ after a simple study which has not really confronted the problems and issues at hand.

The Jesus Seminar has warned others against finding a comfortable Jesus. That is good advice which the members of the Jesus Seminar should have heeded themselves. When E. V. Rieu began a translation of the Gospels, his son is reported to have said: "It will be very interesting to see what Father makes of the Gospel,"11 It is very interesting to see what many have made of the Gospels. Most find the Jesus that they want to find. Their reconstructions often tell us more about the historian than they do about Jesus. One of the most damaging criticisms of these liberal reconstructions of the real Jesus of history is from the pen of William Temple, Archbishop of Canterbury, who said: "Why anyone should have troubled to crucify the Christ of Liberal Protestantism has always been a mystery."'12 Similarly, one of the greatest Jesus scholars of our generation, the Roman Catholic John Meier, said that "a bland Jesus who simply told people to look at the lilies of the field—such a Jesus would threaten no one, just as the university professors who create him threaten no one."13

The other extreme which we need to avoid is a naive, untested, unexamined faith. When confronted with difficulties in the biblical text or with the limitations of historical knowledge, this type of faith responds: "Well the Bible says it and I believe it and that settles it!" This type of faith is often a faith inherited from one's parents. It is sufficient for some people for a whole lifetime, but for others it will not last. Some Christians with such a naive faith are unable to handle a setting such as what many of you face on a daily basis on a state university campus. You and I both have seen too many people with a naive faith simply walk away from the church at some point in their adult life. The cause for a sudden change to disbelief is often nothing more than a brief encounter with an aggressive, skeptical person who throws one or two challenges their way which they cannot handle.

Maybe many of these are what Ravi Zacharias calls the "silent doubters in our midst." Zacharias says we need to answer their questions first before we attempt to evangelize the world. And we will not answer the ones among us who are questioning if we simply say: "Just believe." If historical arguments are being used to deny Christianity, historical arguments must be used to defend the faith. Naively protesting "that historical study is irrelevant" will not do.14 As the great scholar, J. B. Lightfoot, declared: "The abnegation of reason is not the evidence of faith, but the confession of despair. "15

One minister's discussion of the origin of the four Gospels is an example of a tendency in this direction. He explains that most New Testament scholars postulate that Mark was written first and that it was used as a source for Matthew and Luke. Matthew and Luke are much longer than Mark, however, so they must have obtained other information from other sources. The extra material which they have in common is called "Q" ("Q" being the first letter of the German word for "source"). This material is primarily the sayings of Jesus. Whether the source for these sayings was a written document or oral tradition is very much a matter of debate among scholars. The other material in Matthew is identified as "M" for Matthew's private source, and "L" likewise for Luke.

This minister then ridicules this whole scenario: "Some who claim to believe that the Bible is inspired of God have accepted these ideas to explain how God (?) got His word to man." How does he respond to these theories? Does he note that Luke tells us in his prologue that others had written before him? Does this preacher note that Luke tells us that he researched these earlier sources and investigated the information in order to write the Gospel of Luke (Lk. 1 :1-4)? No. He quotes a passage from Jeremiah and another from the New Testament which are irrelevant. He simply says that the Bible is inspired. His message seems to be: "Just believe the Bible because the Bible tells you it is God's word."

This approach to faith is similar to the proverbial preacher who was told that Moses and the children of Israel did not cross through the Red Sea, but the "sea of reeds."16 Upon hearing this the preacher supposedly proclaimed: "Praise God! It is an even greater miracle. God drowned the Egyptian army in two inches of water." It is a sad fact that radical, skeptical historical revisionists like the Jesus Seminar gain credibility because they contrast themselves with this sort of naive faith in fundamentalism. As Luke Timothy Johnson says in regard to many in fundamentalism: "The Bible is less a text to be read than a talisman to be invoked. The fundamentalists' claim to take the literal meaning of the New Testament seriously is controverted by their neglect of any careful or sustained reading."17

So a more acceptable approach, which avoids both the extremes of radical skepticism and a naive faith, is to approach the New Testament documents with an open mind, ready and willing to ask any question in our search for truth. We must be willing to ask if there are legitimate reasons for believing what the Bible has to say about Jesus. Is blind faith the only option? Are the skeptics right in saying that the only person who can believe is either a naive person or one who is closed minded and unwilling to examine the facts? I submit to you that reasonable faith is a viable option for the truth seeker today.

What Can Be Known About Jesus From History?

We cannot prove everything in the Bible. The New Testament is almost 2,000 years old. The real Jesus lived 2,000 years ago. There are limitations to what one can know through historical inquiry. People are still in sharp disagreement over events which happened within the lifetime of many of us such as the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. How much more so is it going to be difficult to speak conclusively concerning a person who lived 2,000 years ago. But while the limitations of history do not allow us to speak absolutely, they do not prevent our speaking of possibilities and probabilities.

The remarkable thing about this whole controversy is that the skeptical revisionists reject almost in totality what the four Gospels say about Jesus, but they then write a new history of Jesus which is based upon surmise, speculation and theory. Their Jesus is supposedly based on the very same Gospels they have rejected. They are "insisting on discovering history where it cannot be found."18 If, for example, I cannot prove the virgin birth of Jesus through historical analysis, is it not also true that someone else cannot disprove the virgin birth of Jesus by the same method? Both of us can only speak of possibilities and probabilities. What is even more ridiculous about the Jesus Seminar and several other radical revisionists is that they accept the Gospel of Thomas as an equal or better source for information about Jesus than Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Gospel of Thomas is from the mid-second century or later and is possibly Gnostic. It is noncanonical, probably heretical in origin and dated fifty to one hundred years later than the four Gospels. How in the name of common sense can anyone equate it as a historical source to the four Gospels?

Much of the gospel story lies beyond the reach of historical inquiry. For example, it can be established quite firmly as a historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified in the early first century. What cannot be established as historical fact, because it lies outside the bounds of such analysis, is that Jesus died for our sins and thereby made atonement for mankind to God. While it is important that the Christ of Christian faith be the same as and consistent with the real Jesus of history, the Christ of faith is the living Lord of whom we must say much more than we can say in a strict, limited historical sense about Jesus.

But what arguments from history can be made about Jesus? Only the barest of sketches can be allowed here. I do not have sufficient time to go into the details of literary criticism, form criticism, redaction criticism, and historical methodology. Neither is there time to survey the literature on crucial questions such as the dating of New Testament documents, the authorship of the four Gospels, the canon of the New Testament, the evidence for Jesus outside the New Testament,19 and other equally important and related issues. But here hopefully one can be pointed in the right direction for further study.

The four Gospels are a combination of history and commentary. They are history written from the post-resurrection perspective of faith which adds interpretation to the events in light of a fuller understanding of them from a later period of time. The Gospels are religious propaganda designed to convert the reader. Let us be honest and admit that the Gospels are biased in favor of Jesus. But the Gospels are not useless in searching for the real Jesus of history just because they are written by insiders. Their favorable attitude toward Jesus and Christianity does require that they be studied carefully in light of what they are and cross-examined for their integrity, but they need not be rejected without a hearing. A good historian knows how to cross examine evidence, separating what is reliable from what is unreliable.

One key point in cross-examining the story of the four Gospels is their date. Skeptics tend to date the Gospels as late as possible, because this allows more time for their theory that most of the story of Jesus was invented by the early church. Conservatives tend to date the Gospels as early as possible, because this places them within the lifetime of eyewitnesses who would be on hand to verify their contents. Actually we are not able to date any of the four Gospels precisely. It is possible that one of them was written as early as the late 50s and that one of them was written as late as the 90s. Within that range no one can speak with any certainty, even though many scholars pontificate and pretend to be certain. In my opinion it is likely that the first Gospel, Mark, was written in the 60s. Matthew and Luke were probably written sometime within the next twenty years. John was likely last. Even though honesty does not permit us to assign a specific date, the news is good for those who want to believe in the traditional Christ of faith. All of the Gospels are from the first century, as is the rest of the New Testament. All of it is very close in time to the events which they narrate and interpret. And even though the skeptics attempt to dismiss the presence of any eyewitnesses among the writers of the New Testament, that is not so easily done.20

There is more good news, though, which shrinks this time frame considerably. The Gospels are based, in part, on earlier information, either oral or written. Luke tells us at the beginning of his Gospel that others had "undertaken to set down an orderly account of the events that have been fulfilled among us, just as they were handed on to us by those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and servants of the word" (Lk. 1:1-2). So while the skeptical critics carry on long and loud about sources they think they have detected within the Gospels or other New Testament documents, that is not bad news for the historical Jesus. Most source criticism is theory. It is speculation built on top of speculation. Much of it might be right, or almost all of it might be wrong. But if we are concerned about the accuracy of the information regarding Jesus in the Gospels, the presence of sources behind the Gospels is good news. If Mark wrote his Gospel in the 60s and Matthew and Luke sometime in the next decade or two after that, they are removed by a mere thirty-five or so years from the death and resurrection of Jesus. If they used sources of information which go back another ten, twenty or more years, that is even closer to the time of the event. There is less time available for any potential corruption and distortion of the message to occur, and certainly not enough time for a complete myth to evolve.

It is almost unanimously believed among New Testament scholars today that Mark's Gospel was written first and that the Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke used Mark as a source. There is a significant portion of material which Matthew and Luke share in common which is not found in Mark. This material is labeled "Q" from the German word for "source." No one knows whether this information was written down or whether is was merely passed along by word of mouth in oral tradition. The similar wording suggests to some that it was in written form, or possibly in several written forms. Let us for the sake of argument date Matthew and Luke in the 70s. They both may have been written a decade before or after, but let us put them in the 70s which is not an extreme date in either direction. When did the so-called "Q" traditions originate? In the 60s? In the 50s? In the 40s? Or possibly as early as the 30s? Once again this puts us extremely close to the time of the actual events. It is also a matter of scholarly discussion as to whether or not Matthew and Luke had other sources. Most conclude that they did. Once again this pushes the origin of these traditions back closer to the time of their occurrence.

The writings of Paul, which are almost all dated in the 50s and 60s, show evidence of earlier sources. While Paul's apostleship and his encounter with the living Christ were the result of a direct revelation from God, Paul conferred with eyewitnesses and received information about Jesus from them. In about 55 A.D. in 1 Corinthians Paul writes about the last supper, quoting the very words of Jesus (1 Cor. 11:23-26). This was done possibly ten years or more before any of the Gospels were written and a mere twenty-five years after the event. Furthermore, Paul reminded the Corinthian church: "For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received" (1 Cor. 15:3). This takes us back to the 30s to the time of Paul's conversion, only a few years after the resurrection of Jesus. Paul was in contact with eyewitnesses and first generation Christians everywhere he went. Thus it is apparent, except to the person who begins with a skeptical attitude, that the stories and traditions about Jesus were known and recorded a very short time after they occurred.

Let us draw an analogy. The distance of time from today in the year 2,000 to World War II is as great or greater than the distance in time from the ministry of Jesus to the writing of most of the books of the New Testament. And we have already noted, many of them are much earlier and they are built on information which predates them, sometimes by decades. But working with a fifty-five to sixty year time span, how many of you were involved in the war effort, either as a soldier or a civilian? How many of you were old enough to listen to the radio during the war or read the newspaper? How many of you have a parent who fits into one of these first two categories? How many of you have a grandparent who fits into one of the first two categories? Imagine how difficult it would be to fictionalize a whole life story, a series of events and a body of teaching, as if it all happened in the heart of Europe in the 1940s. If I attempted to do that and pass it off as fact, people all around could expose my deceit.

How much more so would that be true if I tried to do something similar for events from the Vietnam war era. That takes us back thirty years. Thirty years after Jesus died, a significant portion of the New Testament was already written and sources for later use were already developed, either in writing or in oral tradition. Let us push it back even further. The initial telling and retelling of the story of Jesus and the development of the oral tradition about him began immediately after his resurrection. The gospel story had already taken definite form by the time of Paul's conversion in the 33 A.D. So imagine me trying to create some grand fiction about the Gulf War and passing it off as history today. When the apostle Paul noted that there were over five hundred witnesses of the resurrected Jesus, he added: "most of whom are still alive" (1 Cor. 15:6). His point was obvious. If the story of the resurrection were not true, there were close to five hundred people who could have exposed it as a fraud.

Thus a very strong hypothetical case can be built for the accuracy with which the early Christians handed down the story of Jesus, but this is hypothetical. Bias on the part of the person investigating the historicity of Jesus is very evident if we keep the discussion at this level. Liberal skeptics tend to distrust the accuracy of the transmission of the story of Jesus. The believer assumes that the story has been accurately transmitted. Is there any way that we can get beyond pure speculation about how well the story was transmitted between 30 A.D. and the writing of the Gospels? Yes, there is. Again, it is almost certain that Mark was the first Gospel and that Matthew and Luke used Mark to produce their Gospels. If we compare parallel passages between the three synoptic Gospels, we can see whether or not the message was preserved accurately. For example, examine the following narrative which is found in all four Gospels.

Mark 1:9-11
Luke 3:21-22 Matthew 3:13-17 John 1:29-34
In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And just as he was coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens torn apart and the Spirit descending like a dove on him. And a voice came from heaven, "You are my Son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased."


Now when all the people were baptized, and when Jesus also had been baptized and was praying, the heaven was opened, and the Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, "You are my Son, the Beloved; with you I am well pleased."

Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan, to be baptized by him. John would have prevented him, saying, "I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now; for it is proper for us in this way to fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented. And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, the Beloved, with whom I am well pleased."

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and declared, "Here is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! This is he of whom I said, 'After me comes a man who ranks ahead of me because he was before me.' I myself did not know him; but I came baptizing with water for this reason, that he might be revealed to Israel." And John testified, "I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him. I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water said to me, 'He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain is the one who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.' And I myself have seen and have testified that this is the Son of God. "

While there are variations in the telling of the story, the differences are not significant. We know that in the telling and retelling of the gospel story, changes were made. Different speakers and writers used different words and ways to tell about Jesus. But we have no evidence that the story of Jesus was changed significantly during the time period from the life of Jesus until the writing of the New Testament documents. If the story of Jesus was going to be transformed from that of a peasant rabbi into that of the miracle working Lord, we would expect to see significant development. Instead, what we find from the latest to the absolute earliest tradition about Jesus is the same: Jesus was believed to be the divine Son of God who was resurrected on the third day. We do not find him not working miracles in the earlier layers of the tradition and working miracles in the later traditions. We do not find his body decaying in the tomb in the earlier layers of the tradition and resurrected only in the later layers of the tradition. The story of Jesus is the same in substance throughout.

This argument may be extended in some very powerful ways. For example, not only is there evidence pointing toward the accuracy and continuity in the transmission of the Jesus tradition, but also there is no evidence for the free creation of words and deeds attributed to Jesus. One of the simplest ways in which one can demonstrate this is to study the major controversies which gripped the church throughout the later half of the first century. As Blomberg explains:

Numerous Christian controversies that surfaced after Jesus' ascension and threatened to tear the New Testament church apart could have been conveniently solved if the first Christians had simply read back into the Gospels solutions to those debates. But this is precisely what never happens. Not once does Jesus address many of the major topics that for the rest of the first century loomed large in the minds of Christians—whether believers needed to be circumcised, how to regulate speaking in tongues, how to keep Jew and Gentile united in one body, whether believers could divorce non-Christian spouses, what roles were open to women in ministry, and so on.21

As Ben Witherington put it: "The evidence for Christian prophets speaking words that were later retrojected into narratives about the historical Jesus is nonexistent."22

If the writers of the Gospels were this careful, there is no logical reason to think that anyone who went before them was not equally careful. Not only did they want to be accurate in their transmission of the story of Jesus, since it was sacred to them, but they also had the ability to transmit it accurately. In the ancient Jewish world, and to a slightly lesser extent in the Greco-Roman world, memorization was a highly developed talent. Huge bodies of literature or tradition were passed along in this way. If the early Christians acted in the ways which were traditional for the first century, they would have passed down the story of Jesus with great accuracv.23 As the New Testament scholar I. H. Marshall reminds us, the tradition of Jesus' deeds and words was transmitted in a Jewish environment "where considerable importance was attached to the accurate memorization and transmission" of traditions.24

There are other ways in which we can cross-examine the Gospel witnesses as to their reliability. One is the test of multiple attestation or converging lines of evidence. Just because only one person reports an event does not mean that event did not take place. But in testing the probability of whether or not something happened, multiple attestation is better. In the story of Jesus we have a multitude of witnesses. We have the four Gospels. We have numerous other historical references in the rest of the New Testament. We even have a small amount of evidence from non-biblical sources, although it is quite minimal. Multiple attestation points to the credibility of the Jesus story.25

Next, we have the test of embarrassment. If a story is told about Jesus which made the early Christians uncomfortable, that story is most probably true. Why would the early church make up some story of Jesus which puzzled them or bothered them? We can know with certainty beyond a reasonable doubt that Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist. Baptism was a penitent act for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus did not need to repent, nor did he have any sins of which he needed to be forgiven. Furthermore, submitting to baptism by John might give some people the wrong impression that John was superior to Jesus. Because of these difficulties, it is as certain as it is possible to be, within the limitations of historical knowledge, that Jesus was baptized by John and that the early church did not invent this story.

The same thing is true of the crucifixion of Jesus. Crucifixion in the ancient world was for slaves and the worst of criminals. Christianity had a major public relations problem in preaching the gospel due to the crucifixion of Jesus. It was "a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles" (1 Cor. 1:23).26 One further example would be the statement of Jesus: "No one is good—except God alone" (Mk. 10:18; Mt. 19:17: Lk. 18:19). Many Christians are uncomfortable with that statement. It almost sounds as if Jesus is denying that he is good in any absolute sense. Many Christians have misinterpreted this passage to mean that Jesus was trying to draw a confession out of this man by pretending not to claim goodness. The embarrassment this passage has caused the church is a strong indicator that the saying is genuine.

Another way to test the genuineness of the New Testament message is to ask if it is the best explanation of the facts. How do we explain the beginning of the church? How do we explain the existence of the New Testament documents, including the four Gospels? How do we explain the traditions about Jesus which predate the New Testament documents? The skeptical approach to Jesus claims that the original, simple story of a Jewish peasant was transformed, layer by layer, into the story of the divine Son of God. But the evolution of this story exists only in the minds of the radical revisionists. The belief that Jesus was the divine Son of God did not appear in 60 A.D. in Asia Minor, or in 50 A.D. in the writings of Paul, or in 40 A.D. in Antioch. The belief in the Messiahship of Jesus can be traced back to within a few months of when the resurrection is supposed to have occurred.

The innovators who proclaimed this story of a divine being born in Bethlehem, crucified at Calvary and resurrected are not the second and third generations of Christians. The innovator was not even the apostle Paul. "The innovators can be traced back to the earliest days of the Christian church."27 The innovation of this gospel story occurred in the early 30s of the first century. Later embellishment and fictionalizing by the second and third generation of Christians simply cannot explain the origin of the story of Jesus, the emergence of the church or the writing of the New Testament documents. Some other cause must be found to explain where all these traditions about Jesus came from.

Let us compare it to the big bang theory of the universe. The universe exists. How did it come into existence in its present form? One theory is the big bang theory. That theory does not explain where matter came from, but it is one hypothesis which does explain some of the features of the universe which we observe today. Similarly, the church came into existence in the early 30s of the first century. Traditions about Jesus originated at the same time. In the next seventy years the whole of the New Testament was written. How do we account for all of these? The skeptical view that all of these can be accounted for by pious embellishment and fictionalizing of the gospel story by the early church is not an adequate explanation. I submit to you that the best explanation, the most adequate cause, is the resurrection of Jesus Christ.28

There was a real person, Jesus, who was the founder of this new religious movement, and there was a significant founding experience, a big bang, which set it in motion, namely, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. We cannot prove the resurrection of Jesus Christ through historical analysis, but we can present it as the best explanation of the data and thus the most probable scenario of what really happened.29 As Johnson illustrated with an analogy to the Holocaust:
Anyone becoming aware of the drastically reduced number of Jews in Europe in 1945 compared with 1932 could logically posit a cause sufficient to account for the effect. Such reasoning would not necessarily lead to the specific description of the Holocaust. But it would necessarily lead to some force sufficiently great to accomplish so awesome an effect. Theories of increased tourism would not do.30
What can be known historically about Jesus can be placed on a continuum from what certainly happened to what certainly did not happen. We know things in ancient history to varying degrees of probability. For ancient history very few things can be placed in the extreme categories. Most things are placed somewhere in between, and we use terms such as probably, likely, maybe or could have. Recognizing that the boundary line between various categories is arbitrarily chosen and that scholars will disagree on what belongs in each category, let me outline five categories in which we can place the material about Jesus from the four Gospels and from the rest of the New Testament.

  1. What beyond a reasonable doubt did happen
    • actually lived as a Jew in Palestine
    • proclaimed the kingdom of God
    • died by crucifixion
    • taught in parables
    • prayed using "Abba"
    • etc.
  1. What probably happened
    • the resurrection of Christ
    • called and trained disciples
    • told parable of the prodigal son
    • cleansed the temple
    • the last supper
    • etc.
  1. What could have happened
    • changed water into wine
    • worshipped by wise men
    • born of a virgin
    • etc.
  1. What probably did not happen
    • nothing from the Gospels in this category
  1. What beyond a reasonable doubt did not happen
    • nothing from the Gospels in this category

Through cautious historical analysis the careful student can reconstruct the real Jesus of history. First, one can compile those things that can be known about Jesus with some certainty by means of historical study. At this point the picture will be incomplete. It will only be very minimal, because that is the limited nature oUnrecognizable image of Jesusf historical knowledge for ancient history. It might be very much like the picture 1.

Then one can add to these facts other things which Jesus probably did or probably said, as long as they are consistent with those things which can be known with much certainty. The material in this category does not increase in probability just Perfectly clear image of Jesusbecause it is consistent A clearer image of Jesuswith the more certain category, but it must pass the test of coherence to be included here. At this point the picture of Jesus will begin to fill in with much more detail, and it will take on definite shape (as in picture 2).

Finally, one can add those things which could have happened, as long as they are consistent with what is known with certainty about Jesus and that which is probable. Then, one can begin to interpret the meaning and the significance of Jesus' sayings and actions, which takes one into a world totally beyond the reach of history. It is a world of spiritual values such as divine forgiveness and salvation. It is a world of spiritual existence which speaks of heaven and God. At that point one should have a more complete portrait (as in picture 3) of the whole personality of Jesus which is internally consistent with itself.

In all humility as a finite being trying to grasp an invisible and infinite God, at this point may I suggest that the resulting portrait of the real Jesus of history has become identical with the Christ of the four Gospels and the rest of the New Testament documents.

Conclusion

The real Jesus of history is consistent with the glorified Christ of Christian faith, because he is one and the same. The skeptical attempt to separate the real Jesus of history from the Christ of faith is a futile attempt to separate the inseparable. The Christ of Christian faith is simply the real Jesus of history plus a developed understanding and interpretation of who he was and is. For example, the real Jesus of history was "born of a woman, born under the law" (Gal. 4:4). The Christ of faith is the Word who was "with God" and "was God" and "became flesh" (Jn. 1:1, 14; 1 Tim. 3:16). The real Jesus of history was a teacher who shed light on many subjects. The Christ of faith is "the light of the world" (Jn. 8:12; 9:5; 12:46), "the light of all people" (Jn. 1:4), and "the true light" (Jn. 1:9). The real Jesus of history was a Jew, a descendant of the royal line of David. The Christ of faith is the Son of God, the Messiah, the King of kings. The real Jesus of history died by crucifixion under Pontius Pilate. The Christ of faith "died for our sins" (1 Cor. 15:3). The real Jesus of history was resuscitated after his death. The Christ of faith was "raised for our justification" (Rom. 4:25), "designated Son of God in power ... by his resurrection from the dead" (Rom. 1:4).

We began with a historical study. We have concluded at the point of faith. "Faith starts from knowledge, even if it reaches beyond it, and its character as faith is not destroyed by its association with knowledge ... It appears, then, that we cannot do without the historical Jesus if we are to believe in the Christ of faith."31 Crossan, one of the members of the Jesus Seminar, makes an important point: "There can be history without faith."32 There were some who saw Jesus, heard him teach and even witnessed him perform miracles who did not believe in him. So yes, there can be history without faith, then and now.

But the more important question for us is the opposite one, which Crossan also asks: "Can there be faith without history?" Again, I would answer in the affirmative. Even if Jesus did not teach all of those things we think he taught, even if he did not perform all of those miracles recounted in the Gospels, and even if he was not raised from the dead, people could still believe in him. But the problem is that such a faith is empty. It is a false faith. It is like stepping on a lily pad as if it will support your weight and enable you to walk across a pond. As Paul said: "If Christ has not been raised, then our proclamation has been in vain and your faith has been in vain. ... lf Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins" (1 Cor. 15:14, 17).

We need a rational, historical basis for our faith, so that it will not become a subjective, individual feeling which is not guided by any objective criterion. As N. T. Wright explained: "History, then, prevents faith becoming fantasy. Faith prevents history becoming mere antiquarianism."33 Any absolute confirmation or denial of who Jesus was and is lies beyond the grasp of pure, historical analysis. But without giving up our powers of critical reason, without giving in to naively or incredulity even for a moment, as believers we have good reason to say with the apostle Paul: "But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead" (1 Cor. 15:20).

Earlier it was noted that when E. V. Rieu, a Classical scholar, began a translation of the Gospels, his son commented: "It will be very interesting to see what Father makes of the Gospels." That was only part of the quotation of the son of Rieu. He went on to say: "It will be still more interesting to see what the Gospels make of Father."34 After he had translated the Gospels into English, Rieu wrote:
Of what I have learnt from these documents in the course of my long task, I will say nothing now. Only this, that they bear the seal of the Son of Man and God, they are the Magna Charta of the human spirit.35
Is it the same with you? Can you confess along with the apostle Peter: "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God" (Mt. 16:16)?


Footnotes
  1. I. Howard Marshall, I Believe in the Historical Jesus (Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977) 11, 25n.
  2. Luke Timothy Johnson, The Real Jesus (HarperSanFrancisco, 1996) 32.
  3. Cited by Johnson, The Real Jesus, 7.
  4. Leif Vaage, Atlanta Constitution, 30 Sept. 1989, Ibid., 15.
  5. Ibid., 3.
  6. Howard Clark Kee, Ibid., 18.
  7. Richard Hays, Ibid., 26.
  8. Cited by Marshall, I believe, 12.
  9. Ibid., 12.
  10. Stephen Mitchell, The Gospel According to Jesus, cited by Johnson, The Real Jesus, 38. For a brief review of the Jesus various critics "find" in their "historical" research, e.g. Jesus the sage, Jesus the religious genius, and Jesus the social revolutionary, see Scot McKnight, "Who is Jesus? An Introduction to Jesus Studies," in Michael J. Wilkins and J. P. Moreland, eds. Jesus Under Fire (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1995) pp. 55-62.
  11. Cited in Marshall, I believe, 45.
  12. Ibid., 113.
  13. Cited in Craig L. Blomberg, "Where Do We Start Studying Jesus?" in Jesus Under Fire, 21.
  14. Marshall, I believe, 112.
  15. Ibid., 112.
  16. "Sea of reeds" is a literal translation of the Hebrew (Ex. 10:19). We do not know exactly where Moses and the children of Israel crossed over. There were marshy, shallow lakes north of the Red Sea in ancient times which were more extensive than those present today. If they crossed through them, it is not a matter of two inches of water, but of several feet of water plus a tidal surge from the strong wind. See various Bible dictionaries and commentaries.
  17. Johnson, Real Jesus, 63.
  18. Ibid., 101.
  19. See Edwin M. Yamauchi, "Jesus Outside the New Testament: What Is the Evidence?" in Jesus Under Fire, 207-29.
  20. In this brief study I make no argument pro or con on apostolic and, therefore, eyewitness authorship of Matthew and John, or even for the eyewitness of the apostle Peter being behind the gospel of Mark. The reliability of the four Gospels can be established quite well even without these arguments. My non-use of eyewitness arguments is only due to time and space limitations. The conservative case for eyewitness authorship of some New Testament documents and eyewitness sources for others is a strong one.
  21. Blomberg, "Where Do We Start?" in Jesus Under Fire, 32.
  22. Ben Witherington III, The Jesus Quest (Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1995) 200.
  23. See Blomberg, in Jesus Under Fire, 32-34.
  24. Marshall, I believe, 196.
  25. As an example Marshall points to a saying of Jesus found in Mark (Mk. 8:35; Mt. 16:25; Lk. 9:24), Q (Mt. 10:39; Lk. 17:33) and John (Jn. 12:25). Also, see Darrell L. Bock, "The Word of Jesus in the Gospels: Live, Jive, or Memorex?" in Jesus Under Fire, 92-93.
  26. See Martin Hengel, Crucifixion (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1977).
  27. Marshall, I believe, 70. Also see Lee Strobel, The Case for Christ (Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1998).
  28. There are so many excellent studies defending the validity and historicity of the resurrection of Jesus Christ that they are too numerous to even attempt to list. One brief defense in the literature already noted is William Lane Craig, "Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?" in Jesus Under Fire, 141-76.
  29. Alan Richardson, An Introduction to the Theology of the New Testament (New York: Harper & Row, 1958) 9-15.
  30. Johnson, Real Jesus, 139.
  31. Marshall, I believe, 82, 84.
  32. John Dominic Crossan, Luke Timothy Johnson, and Werner H. Kelber, The Jesus Controversy: Perspectives in Conflict (Harrisburg, PA: Trinity Press International 1999) 1
  33. Marcus J. Borg and N. T. Wright, The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions. (HarperSanFrancisco, 1999) 26.
  34. Cited in Marshall, I believe, 45.
  35. Ibid.



Annotated Bibliography

Books by chief members of the Jesus Seminar, the group which voted on which words of Jesus are authentic and which are not. These works are skeptical, liberal, historical reconstruction. They deny virtually everything traditionally believed about Jesus of Nazareth. The Jesus Seminar does not represent the most scholarly presentation of skeptical historical reconstruction, but it does represent the view most commonly presented in the media in the last decade.

Borg, Marcus I. Jesus: A New Vision. HarperSanFrancisco, 1987.

_____. Meeting Jesus Again for the First Time: The Historical Jesus & the Heart of Contemporary Faith. HarperSanFrancisco, 1994.

Crossan, John Dominic. Jesus A Revolutionary Biography. Harper SanFrancisco, 1994.

_____. The Birth of Christianity: Discovering What Happened in the Years Immediately After the Execution of Jesus. HarperSanFrancisco, 1998.

_____. The Essential Jesus: Original Sayings and Earliest Images. HarperSanFrancisco, 1994.

Funk, Robert W. Honest to Jesus: Jesus for a New Millennium. HarperSanFrancisco, 1996.

_____, Roy W. Hoover, and the Jesus Seminar. The Five Gospels: The Search for the Authentic Words of Jesus. New York: Macmillan Publishing Company, 1993. [This work is the summary of the research of the Jesus Seminar. The words attributed to Jesus in the four Gospels plus the Gospel of Thomas, a mid-second century or later Coptic Gospel, possibly Gnostic, are color coded for their authenticity in the opinion of the Jesus Seminar.]


Books which present skeptical and traditional views of Jesus in a debate/discussion format. Crossan and Borg represent the Jesus Seminar. Johnson and Wright represent the traditional view of Jesus (on the whole but not at all points, e.g. the virgin birth).

Crossan, John Dominic, Luke Timothy Johnson, and Werner H. Kelber. The Jesus Controversy: Perspectives in Conflict. Harrisburg, PA: Trinity Press International, 1999.

Borg, Marcus J., and N. T. Wright. The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions. HarperSanFrancisco, 1999.


Responses by moderate or conservative scholars to the Jesus Seminar and other recent, skeptical historical reconstruction of the life of Jesus. The Original Jesus by Wright and Strobel's The Case for Christ are written more on a layman's level than the other works. Jesus: The New Way is a six-hour video curriculum which is available through some local libraries.

Blomberg, Craig L. The Historical Reliability of the Gospels. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1987.

George, Denise and Tom Wright. Jesus: The New Way. Worchester, PA: Church History Institute, 1998.

Habermas, Gary R. The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ. Joplin, MO: College Press, 1996.

Johnson, Luke Timothy. The Real Jesus: The Misguided Quest for the Historical Jesus and the Truth of the Traditional Gospels. Harper SanFrancisco, 1996.

Strobel, Lee. The Case for Christ. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1998.

Wilkins, Michael J., and J. P. Moreland, eds. Jesus Under Fire. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1995.

Witherington, Ben, III. The Jesus Quest: The Third Search for the Jew of Nazareth. Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1995.

Wright, N. T. Jesus and the Victory of God. Minneapolis: Fortress Press, 1996.

_____. Who was Jesus? Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1992.

Wright, Tom. The Original Jesus: The Life and Vision of a Revolutionary. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1996.


General works which to one degree or another are relevant to the question of the historicity of Jesus.

Anderson, Charles C. Critical Quests of Jesus. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1969.

Baird, William. The Quest of the Christ of Faith. Waco, TX: Word Books, 1977.

Bruce, F. F. The New Testament Documents: Are they reliable? 5th edition. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1960.

Carson, D. A., Douglas J. Moo, and Leon Morris. An Introduction to the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1992.

Dunn, James D. G. Christology in the Making. 2d edition. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1980, 1989.

Erickson, Millard J. The Word Became Flesh. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1991.

Guthrie, Donald. New Testament Introduction. 3d edition. Downers Grove, IL: Inter-Varsity Press, 1970.

Hengel, Martin. Crucifixion. Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1977.

Hoover, Arlie J. Dear Agnos: A Defense of Christianity. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Book House, 1976.

Marshall, I. Howard. I Believe in the Historical Jesus. Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1977.

_____. Luke: Historian and Theologian. Grand Rapids, MI: Zondervan, 1970.

_____. The Origins of New Testament Christology. 2d edition. Downers Grove, IL : InterVarsity Press, 1976, 1990.

Ramm, Bernard. An Evangelical Christology: Ecumenic & Historic. Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1985.

_____. Protestant Christian Evidences. Chicago: Moody Press, 1953.

Richardson, Alan. An Introduction to the Theology of the New Testament. New York: Harper & Row, 1958.

_____. Christian Apologetics. New York: Harper & Brothers, 1947.

Skarsaune, Oskar. Incarnation: Myth or Fact? Translated by Trygve R. Skarsten. St. Louis: Concordia Publishing House, 1991.

Wells, David F. The Person of Christ: A Biblical and Historical Analysis of the Incarnation. Westchester, IL: Crossway Books, 1984.


A Word of Appreciation

A word of gratitude for their support and encouragement goes to the elders and members of University City Church of Christ, Gainesville, Florida, where this lesson was first preached on October 8, 2000. Appreciation also goes to Carline Hines, a member of the youth group, for the drawing of Jesus and Marilyn Little, my secretary, for help in preparing the manuscript.

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Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.
Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).
  1. Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."
  2. According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?
  3. According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?
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  5. In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.
  6. In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________
  7. According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?
  8. According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?
  9. In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?
  10. In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?
  11. In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?
  12. According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?
  13. In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?
  14. John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?
  15. What happened each year as told in John 5:4?
  16. In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?
  17. In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?
  18. What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?
  19. Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.
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  22. First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?
  23. In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?
  24. Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?
  25. Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"
Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.
( These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?
If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.

You can't SELL your Soul if its not yours to sell!

Image Hosting by Picoodle.com ALL CONTRACTS NULL & VOID IN JESUS CHRIST! Have you SOLD your soul to your present lifestyle? Do you think..: "I can't change what is now, I've gone to far from what God wants!" DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT, SATAN CANNOT KEEP WHAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM! He has deceived you into believing that you could sell your soul to him, YOU CAN'T SELL WHAT IS NOT YOURS TO SELL- YOUR SOUL BELONGS TO GOD NOT YOU...IT WAS CREATED TO SERVE HIM NOT SATAN!
It does not amaze me in the least that evolutionist scientists STILL after all these years insist upon trying to discredit Creation Science which has all the answers in abundance.
It would seem even to the UNTRAINED EYE that they simply have a complete lack of HONESTY and evidence or they would have refuted God from the beginning!
The web-site below is PROOF of this statement, it would do an evolutionist good to admit for ONCE that they DO NOT HAVE THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW!

A Creationist's DARE YA! Go ahead TRY!

The Evidence on Video streaming!