"The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous, and proud of it, petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist." -- Richard Dawkins. "But you ask me what the scariest things are in Christianity: this infatuation with biblical prophecy and this notion that Jesus is going to come back as an avenging savior to kill all the bad people". -- Sam Harris
THIS IS THE OPINION OF THE SKEPTIC WHO READS THE BIBLE WITHOUT THE SPIRITS GUIDANCE OR ANY COMMON SENSE THROWN IN FOR GOOD MEASURE! "Whenever we read ... the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we call it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness that has served to corrupt and brutalize humankind. And, for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel." Thomas Paine
"The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart."--Dt.28:28
"So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat."--Dt.28:55 "And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.--Num.21:6
"I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth."--Jer.19:7
And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.--Dt.2:34
Wow,that's a LOT of violence and woe to start my blog about a loving and caring GOD OF CREATION isn't it?
The SELF APPOINTED "VIOLENCE PATROL" has spoken,so all you Christians can now "GIVE IN" and concede the point...Right? OR NOT! Let's look at the Bible from a new perspective for a change and see what God was really trying to get across to us in being HONEST about what happened in the Old Testament! When dealing with the problem of violence in the OT we tend to follow one of two approaches:
We tend to Concentrate more on the many passages where God is depicted as loving – much of Isaiah, Hosea, Micah, Deuteronomy.
We tend to Explain how the idea of God as a violent punishing war monger is all part of the historical and cultural conditioning of the author and that we can ignore it in good faith, especially in the light of the NT.
Neither of these approaches does justice to God's entire REVELATION. There are in the OT roughly three hundred passages which talk of people doing violence to each other, either a report or a threat or a command, or a lament. There are roughly a thousand passages which talk of God’s violence or wrath; either a report of his slaying someone, or his threatening people with violence or descriptions of him as a man of war.In this blog I will deal with the REASONS BEHIND VIOLENCE AND WHY PEOPLE FIGHT ONE ANOTHER,ALL REVEALED IN THE BIBLE CLEARLY!!! To ignore the violence in the OT is like making a study of Churchill and completely ignoring the fact that he was English. Violence is not peripheral to the Bible it is central, in many ways it is the issue, because of course it is the human problem. The central icon of our faith depicts an act of mob violence against an innocent victim. The Bible is in fact the story of the slow, painstaking and sometimes faltering escape from the idea of a God who is violent to a God who is love and has absolutely nothing to do with violence. We must remember that people do not simply desire what others have, they desire what others desire. The proof of this which every parent knows is to watch two toddlers in a nursery full of toys. One picks up a teddy bear and begins carelessly to play with it. The other will soon enough turn from what he is doing and focus his attention on that teddy. He will try to take it off the first one, who in turn will stubbornly cling to it. The result will always be tears. In the space of a few minutes, an object which neither of them was really that keen on becomes an object of intense desire. Affluent parents may solve the problem by buying another identical teddy, but one can be sure that their attention will soon move to another object. The whole of advertising, the fashion industry, art criticism and many other things are based upon this. We could say that Armani clothes are more desired than C & A because their cloth and cut are better. That does explain why frayed and patched jeans were so popular and why it is that the things our grandparents called ‘dungarees’ are highly desirable, even mandatory fashion items. The explanation is that because one person deems these things desirable, I too find them so, regardless of quality or usefulness. Why were we quickly pulling down ‘ugly’ Victorian buildings in the sixties and now putting preservation orders on them and hailing them as architectural masterpieces? So imitation is the very nature of desire. Because this imitation is largely unconscious Girard calls it by the Greek term mimesis (mimicry). Remember: The model becomes the rival.
Almost all human conflict is the result of people modeling themselves, (albeit unconsciously) on others and then entering into rivalry with others. All human conflict is about wanting what someone else has and desires – money, land, prestige, a spouse, a friend, power etc. every human society is threatened by this desire which becomes rivalry which leads to conflict. (It is no accident that the last two commandments warn against this mimetic desire. Covetousness is the reason why people kill, commit adultery, steal and bear false witness against each other, and if the Decalogue wants to stop those it will have to attack their root cause – desire. The ten Commandments display an anthropological understanding which is remarkably spot on.) Developed societies have quite sophisticated mechanisms for keeping this from getting out of hand. In a society with no police force and no judiciary, the basic mechanism to stop this internal violence is scapegoating and sacrifice. A group achieves initial unity by falling on a scapegoat (from inside or outside) and uniting against him and killing him. So all against all becomes all against one. Because all the internal tensions disappear when this mechanism kicks in, the experience is one of the scapegoat bringing peace, so the whole thing takes on an air of holiness. It seems that ‘good’ violence is used to drive out ‘bad’ violence. Very likely, because peace seems to be the result of the death of the scapegoat, he is then considered divine. Scapegoating is still the way many groups bring about peace – politicians threatened by unpopularity start a war to unite people against a common enemy. Tensions in the workplace are solved like this, sometimes even in the church. Whenever this happens people are
a) always unconscious of what’s going on.
b) always assume that God is on the side of the mob or the many and bringing about peace by killing or ostracizing the victim.
c) always assume that the victim is guilty and that God is therefore against the victim.
The opinion of God and the opinion of the crowd are therefore identical. So When Jesus says "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", this is not just piety or Jesus being kind. Some people even seem to think that Jesus is telling a kind of little white lie to excuse them, just as sometimes people excuse the appalling behavior of children by saying: "They’re only kids." None of them have any idea that they are caught up in a process of scapegoating frenzy. They have no idea that the unity of purpose between the Jewish and Roman authorities is the result of this frenzy. It seems the only sensible thing to do. The Jews explicitly believe that they are doing the work of God. The Romans believe this killing is necessary to keep public order, so it amounts to the same thing.
This process is at the basis of all human culture. The Bible comes to birth in a society where this scapegoating mechanism is fully operational, but it is the genius of Biblical revelation that it slowly unmasks this process and shows it up for what it is and offers an alternative. Societies use one sort of violence to expel another sort. The violence expelled is deemed ‘bad’, the violence used to expel it is deemed ‘good’. This is basically what we mean by myth. Not fiction, nor the product of a primitive imagination. Myth tells of a violent event, but tells it from the point of view of the society which benefited from that event, and therefore veils and vindicates the violence. No one in a society where myth holds sway is aware that the facts have been tampered with or colored, so people in such societies are not hypocrites. But the more biblical influence works on a society, the less myth is likely to work. The OT, slowly at first, tells of these events, but tells them from the point of view of the victim. This is not universally clear in the OT, but is dazzlingly clear in the Gospels. The central event in world history is the Son of God becoming the victim of this process, and then rising. In the passion story Caiaphas says:
"It is better that one man should die for the people, rather than that the whole nation should perish". (Jn:11:50)
His is the voice of everyone, every individual, every society which has tried to solve its problems by scapegoating; the voice of reason, the voice of political common sense, the voice which speaks up for the ‘common good’. It is the voice of pogroms, ethnic cleansing and final solutions, and has been heard countless times in history and has resulted in untold human suffering. But it is not the voice of the gospel. The gospel speaks with another voice, with the voice of the victim. That’s why the Gospel as well as being a unique piece of theology is a unique piece of anthropology.
But let’s start in the garden of Eden. Adam gets into trouble because he imitates and acts upon the desire of Eve, HE ALLOWED HIMSELF TO VIEW WHAT WAS IN HIM SINCE SHE "REFLECTED" HER TRUE DESIRE TO HIM, INSTEAD OF LETTING GOD'S IMAGE OF DESIRE SUPERSEDE WHAT SHE DESIRED. The Bible makes clear that HUMAN desire INSTEAD OF GOD DESIRE is the start of the problem. The serpent paints God as a rival, and when they are found out Adam and Eve blame each other and the serpent for their wrong doing.
The very next development is the violence which begins to emerge from the rivalry between Cain and Abel. Bear in mind that this story came into being in a culture where HUMAN sacrifice is common and is the way of securing divine favor(THEY THINK) when all else fails. One man;Abel, performs a blood sacrifice (Of an animal) which works. (When the Bible says that it was pleasing to God it means that it was religiously and socially effective.) The next performs a plant sacrifice (Giving to God a work of YOUR CREATION,SWEAT,LABOR WITHOUT BLOOD!) which doesn’t. He then kills the first man. The obvious conclusion in this culture is that this is an act of sacrifice – this is a holy act pleasing to God. But the biblical account is written to show that this is in no way an act of religion, just a murder, and that God has nothing to do with it. The issue here is that ancient people were aware that blood sacrifices ‘worked’ – of course because they are a reflection of the initial scapegoating violence which prevent the group turning on each other. If we want to find out the purpose of sacrifice, we have to observe what happens when it fails. The purpose of sacrifice is to prevent what happens when it fails. Cain’s bloodless offering failed to extinguish his resentment. If a mob unites in order to lynch someone and the victim escapes, that mob will start blaming each other for the escape and a huge fight will ensue. What happens here is basically the same. When animals fight, generally they have an instinct which will stop them fighting to the death. Human beings all too often seem to lack this instinct, this is illustrated both by personal homicides and by wars which escalate and claim millions of victims. When a conflict results in blood, vengeance becomes necessary. And that vengeance can quickly spiral out of control. In our society we have police and a judiciary to stop that happening or to nip it in the bud when it does. But we cannot comprehend how dangerous the threat of violent revenge is for primitive peoples. Our text shows this clearly in 4:23-24. Lamech says to his wives; I killed a man for wounding me, a boy for striking me. Sevenfold vengeance for Cain, but seventy-sevenfold for Lamech.
The possibility of this awful bloodshed, the result of anger which wells up from inside and cannot always be explained is always just round the corner. Once this begins it cannot be stopped, so it must at all costs and by all means be prevented. Sacrifice exists to do precisely that. Human sacrifice is the obvious way and even in societies as developed as ancient Greece or the Aztecs, right up to the arrival of the conquistadors, it was part of daily life. All the anger and violence could be ritually directed against one victim, and that victim as it were takes on the violence of the whole group, he dies to keep the rest of the group alive. People scorn as primitive, the idea that ‘If we do not perform this sacrifice disaster will befall us’. But of course it is literally true, not just theologically. If the rivalry and latent violence within the group is not channeled onto something safe – i.e. the sacrificial victim, it will erupt and engulf the community – disaster. If God is the protector of the community it is perfectly understandable that people consider the sacrifice to be his will. If the result of the sacrifice is peace it is understandable that people say that God has accepted the sacrifice. People have claimed that there is a huge difference between human and animal sacrifice. From our point of view as modern westerners maybe, but not from the point of view of sacrificial societies. If the victim is human he is always somehow marginal to the community – a foreigner, a stranger, a child, (Remember uninitiated children are scarcely members at all). He may be a prisoner of war – some societies waged war almost continuously and none of the usual reasons could be adduced, the war was to provide prisoners and therefore a continual supply of sacrificial victims. He may also be the king, which may seem strange, but royalty too is marginal. The queen is certainly not one of us. The novelty of Princess Diana was that she was "just like one of us". In true pastoral societies the domestic animals are members of the community albeit marginal, and therefore they are perfect sacrificial victims The thing with anyone marginal is that no vengeance can result from their death since they do not have blood relations with anyone in the community.
(In the light of this we can see that the Psalmist’s My sacrifice is a contrite spirit is not just a helpful pious thought. If the violence that results from rivalry is prevented by sacrifice, the non-sacrificial alternative is to find another way of making sure people don’t get as far as that violence. A contrite spirit, a humble spirit, a forgiving spirit is the only possible alternative antidote to this. This will achieve what sacrifice tried to achieve – the end of violent scapegoating rivalry. In the end it is far more effective, since it diffuses the root cause of the rivalry.)
Cain receives a mark to ensure that he will not be the victim of the scapegoating process (This was an act of God's GRACE TOWARD HIM). Criminals very often become such victims in the modern world. In prisons very often child murderers are tortured or murdered themselves by the other inmates. Clearly they are not exacting justice; they are making him the victim of their own base desires, but often hiding behind the mask of some sort of self-righteousness. When a mob beats a thief to death in Nairobi, they are not doing that because they are all totally opposed to theft and want to rid the world of this scourge, they are projecting their own shadow nature onto the thief and refusing to own it. This is what God has in mind here. Mobs and vigilante groups usually fall into the trap of perpetrating evil much worse than the evil they seek to combat. Structurally what they are doing is scapegoating.
The beginning of culture is shown up for what it is – murder.
Cain then is the founder of civilization. Many societies have a foundational story involving violence and killing but mythologized to make it all seem good. Rome and Thebes in the ancient world for instance. Perhaps the United States is a good modern example. Until recently the founding myth was one of good Christians with a manifest destiny given by God to tame and civilize and set up a republic which would be a laboratory for democracy. Native Americans were bad and uncivilized so if violence was done to them it was all with the best of intentions. No one would call what was done to them theft or murder or genocide. Now that the story has been de-mythologized we see it for what it is, one group grabbing the land of another and killing them in the process, but even in living memory Hollywood portrayed the myth as if it were history. Anywhere else, the story of Cain would have become just such a foundational myth, but the Bible will not allow that. We can begin to understand Cain only when we look at that of Abraham.
The Sacrifice of Abraham
Human sacrifice was a fact of life among people in the ancient Near East much more than we moderns realize. We are familiar with the fact that the people of Israel worked out their identity in contrast to the people around them, and that the constant temptation, into which they repeatedly fell, was to be exactly the same as those people – mimesis! Think of how we believe Christianity to be a religion of peace, but for most of its concrete history it has been practiced in a climate where war between groups and states has been the norm of social life. Standing where we do we find it scandalous that Christians (IN NAME ONLY) have waged war and committed violence and used torture in the name of God. We must realize though that if this is the culture in which the Church lived it takes an awful long time for people to escape completely from that culture, even when they hear the Gospel every day. The Roman Empire was controlled by violence. With the conversion of Constantine and the Edict of Milan in 313 Christianity became the religion of the empire, and the empire was subsequently evangelized. But this is never a one way process and all too often, the empire instructed the Church rather than vice-versa. The same was true of Israel’s dealing with human sacrifice, and nothing illustrates the seeming contradiction better than the dilemma of Abraham sacrificing his son, and the perplexity of the reader who isn’t really sure where God stands in all this. Difficult as it may be, this story provides a ringside seat which enables us at close quarters to view and feel the dilemma concerning human sacrifice which troubled Israel for many hundreds of years. Let us note two things.
1. When Abraham eventually has a close encounter with the living God on the Holy mountain God makes it quite clear that he does not want this human sacrifice. Abraham is called the father of faith i.e. the initiator of the process by which people would realize that God did not require violence toward each other. The movement from human to animal sacrifice is an essential part of the process of our growth in faith.
2. It takes the veil of animal sacrifice and shows that it is trying to hide the violence of human sacrifice. Thus the first paving stones are laid on the way that will lead away from sacrifice of any kind.
The Golden Calf. Exodus 32
The business of sacrifice plays no part in the giving of the covenant. The words of the Decalogue, while making it clear that people must worship only Yahweh, do not mention at all the main way in which he would be worshiped for the next thirteen hundred years, i.e. sacrifice. It is very important to note this, that while the manual of Israelite religion, Leviticus, is a very precise sacrificial instruction book, the foundational document is totally un-sacrificial. Moses ratified the covenant with a sacrifice in 24:3-8, but this does seem to be almost an afterthought. Moses reads the covenant and the people say: All the words Yahweh has spoken we will carry out. (24:3) We have seen that sacrifice is a way to preserve peace and harmony in a community. The premise of the Decalogue is that obedience to these words will make a harmonious community. So these are really two forms of religion which are incompatible, or if people really obey the Decalogue, they won’t need sacrifice. But of course the sacrificial urge is still strong. Perhaps this is part of the reason the people resort to the Golden calf. Moses leaves something of a vacuum that "EVIL" would soon fill..... The dilemma of the Golden Calf helps to explain why after so long, Christians can still have a sacrificial view of their faith, i.e. they can still need scapegoats.
Moses takes hold of the sacrificial frenzy let loose by the golden calf and simply redirects it, getting the Levites to slaughter three thousand. He, NOT GOD proclaims that those who do the killing – who carry out his bidding - are on Yahweh’s side, and the narrator suggests the same; And Yahweh punished the people for having made the calf. (32:35) We are very suspicious of this and cannot see how the God who delivers the Decalogue and says Thou shalt not kill could be behind this vial incident. We must note that the two great lessons learned about sacrifice in Genesis have been reversed. God made it quite clear to Cain that he did not approve of the slaying of his brother, and to Abraham that he did not want him to slay his son. Here the Levites consecrate themselves by doing precisely that:
You have consecrated yourselves to Yahweh, one at the cost of his son, another of his brother, and so he bestows a blessing on you today. (Ex 32:29)
We must also note that this is the beginning of the Levitical priesthood. The priests who will have control of the sacrificial preisthood play the key role in the violence here. we have already seen that sacrifice is a way of channeling violence.
Moses breaks the tablets, seemingly a mere angry reaction, but would it not make more sense for him to hold them aloft and remind the people that this was what God wanted, and that what they were engaged in was a very poor second best? Think hard about this one.....OK, up he goes again to get God to produce a copy of the tablets. Yahweh said to Moses:
"Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones and come up to me on the mountain, and I will write on the tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke." (34:1)
By asserting the identity between the two tablets the author has made it all but impossible for the reader to miss the obvious, that the two versions are utterly different. The new set of commandments is largely preoccupied with the maintenance of rituals and procedures.
The violent incidents are rather like liberating or revolutionary governments being constrained to use violence against people and to lock them up in the cause of freedom. No matter how convinced the perpetrators are of the necessity, some people will always see through it. Israel tried sacrificial solutions to resolve social tension, but she was least able to operate these things well. If we wonder how Moses and Aaron got from the Decalogue to sacred slaughter, it also helps us to understand how we got from the Gospel to the Inquisitional Murder of Innocent people in the name of Dogma's The Inquisition was a powerful tool to the Catholic Church BUT it destroyed a very fragile bond, because the LIE it was trying to defend was subverting the way they defended it through violence. When we try to paint these awful accounts in rosier colors or explain them as being products of a primitive culture we miss the point of them. The Bible tells of these things precisely to show that this is what tends to happen even in a society committed to peace and justice and truth. And it happens in the name of truth. If it happened within living memory of Sinai, we should not be surprised that it happens in around the world today. The Bible is not just a set of instructions about repudiating violence. It is the story of the sometimes very painful, often backsliding process by which people come to repudiate violence.
In our own society the police and the judiciary are the people charged with the control of violence, they are therefore particularly vulnerable to it. In Israelite society the priests served the same function, which is why there are such precise instructions about how to enter the presence of the holy. See the prescriptions in Ex 28:31. The Hebrew priests vested themselves for the sacrifice like members of a bomb squad preparing to diffuse a ticking bomb, and they had good reason to do so. If it does not work exactly to diffuse the latent violence in the community the results can be disastrous.
Moses and Korah
In Numbers 16 – 17 an incident occurs which shows just how easily violence can be masked under the canopy of the sacred. Basically Korah and his group question the authority of Moses, they want a slice of the action too, so Moses challenges them to a sacrificial competition. This is the sort of power/authority struggle that goes on in human communities. It can be very destructive – as the fractious history of Protestantism shows very clearly,as well as the BLOODY HISTORY of Catholicism. Moses immediately interprets this challenge as muttering against Yahweh. In this way his use of authority is like that of the medieval papacy dealing with anyone who opposed it’s authority.
In vv 29-30 Moses says that if the men die a violent death it will be proof that they hold Yahweh in contempt. The rebel leaders are then immediately swallowed up by the earth and fire consumes the other 250. It all seems clear enough, God has spoken.
We can be fundamentalist and take this at face value, it was necessary then, it doesn’t happen now. Or with Marcion we could say that the God of the OT was bloodthirsty and not the God of Jesus. Or we can say this is certainly not the God we know and preach, so this could not possibly have happened, and let’s hope none of our members ever read it and question us about it. Or we can say that this story hides real violence behind a sacred screen. Probably Moses somehow manages to convince those loyal to him that the rebels really are murmuring against God, whips them up into a fury, and they become a mob who attack the rebels, and like all mobs they believe that the violence they have done is really God’s violence. A peace and unanimity descends over the camp – no one will even think of challenging Moses now, so this peace must come from God. What happens here is not very different to the burning of witches and heretics in the middle ages. Someone challenges the sacred authority of the Church, that must be a challenge to God, that person must be killed.
Except that the Bible has a built in lie detector. We read:
On the following day the whole community of Israelites were muttering against Moses and Aaron saying: You (NOT GOD ) are responsible for killing Yahweh’s people! Now the community was banding together against Moses and Aaron. (17:6-7)
Imagine in the Church there is someone who continually challenges the authority of the Pastor, at the church meeting. He writes letters to him and to the leadership about the way that he does things and how there should be much more involvement. The Pastor is convinced that he is a crank, but also doesn’t like having his authority challenged, and, of course, he has on his side the church dogmas and church laws. On his side the man has documents from the leadership on ministry. One Sunday it comes to a head. During the sermon he stands up and challenges him. The Pastor calmly but firmly tells the man to stop causing trouble and to sit down and say his prayers like the other 900 people who come here to church every Sunday. In a fit of rage the man storms out of Church and, not looking where he is going, walks straight under a bus and is killed. When the ensuing commotion dies down the Pastor stands up and says: "Well, I think God has made his will clear enough" He casts a spell over the congregation, a fearful awe takes them over and they wonder if he might be right. Then someone stands up and says: "No, this has nothing to do with God’s will, if you had handled this man better from the start he would never have got into such a state and this would never have happened, so it is not God, but you who are responsible for his death." The spell is broken..Why? Because the TRUTH is clearly seen!.
And if we who read this today are disturbed and perplexed by what we read it is precisely because that lie detector is also at work in us. This is not the last word about the way God deals with challenge, we have also read the gospels, and Paul’s hymn to love. We do not believe that God brought about the killing, we will not fall for that; and neither will the Israelites, nor the final editor of Numbers. This whole idea of God killing people is exposed for what it is, a sham, but the only way the Bible can unmask it is to get inside it, go along with it, pretend to tell the myth of sacred violence and then challenge it. When John says that The light shines in the darkness he means that even in this barbaric darkness of seeming sacred violence, God’s light shines, showing it up as a lie. If the Bible didn’t tell these stories we would never have the equipment to unmask it. That’s why all this literature is bound between the same two covers. Because having read: God so loved the world . . . we know that the one who kills these rebels cannot be God, and must be a projection of human violence and let's NOT forget SATAN has power to control the earth's disaster's as well,it is within his power to perform these things in order to DECEIVE THE MASSES and give God a bad name. Whatever the human author(s) of Numbers is trying to tell us, the divine author of the whole Bible makes his message shine through it. Part of what we mean by divine inspiration is that these texts reveal to us something which neither the author nor the reader wishes to have revealed.
A mother told how once, toward the end of the war(WW II ), she and her friends went to the cinema, and the newsreel showed footage of the German campaign on the Russian front, and how the German soldiers were freezing to death in their thousands. She told how many people in the cinema were crying for the Germans. The film maker wanted to make anti-German propaganda and whip up enmity against them. But because the mother and her friends were also imbued with the Biblical spirit which automatically sympathizes with victims, it’s effect was the opposite. In a Society which was not shaped by Judeo-Christian revelation, such a reaction to the plight of one’s enemies is highly unlikely.
Elijah on Mt. Carmel.
For all his success, Elijah falls into a trap, of violence. He uses the sacrificial energy which the prophets of Baal have whipped up and turns it against them. They are not just killed because they worship the wrong God.
This has been the most climactic moment of Elijah's life so far, the thing he had worked for and hoped for. The threat by Jezebel to kill him has to be taken seriously, but he has been in grave danger all along. Why should this precipitate emotional collapse at the most successful time in his life? Perhaps it the text’s way of telling us that this victory isn’t everything and that the act of violence at the end of it does not bring about peace (which structurally it should do) but results in inner turmoil,why? Because this is not God's heart for the wicked to perish. Surely if Elijah has fully carried out God’s will, he should have a bit more inner strength than that. Here the Bible is disarmingly honest. A story which is like so many other victory stories suddenly takes an unexpected turn. Elijah has then to go to Horeb to be re-educated. If not, Yahweh just looks like a bigger and better version of Baal, just another God who enjoys knocking his enemies’ teeth out. At this crucial point in the religious life of the nation, God’s spokesman must be pushed in another direction.
At Horeb, the Earthquake, Wind and Fire are the conventional guises of God, the expected backdrop to a theophany. This sort of God and the God who is happy for people to murder his enemies are quite at home with each other. But, instead, he gets the sound of a gentle silence, God is in this sound,A STILL SMALL VOICE,THE CALMNESS OF GOD'S PERFECT PEACE. One thing is clear. This is a different statement about God. Elijah’s zeal is admirable, but he hasn’t got it all right, and this incident moves understanding on a little. The whole of the narrative has been telling us that God is encountered at the edge, in the unexpected place; not in the center. This passage draws all that together and helps us reach some conclusions. There does seem to be some sort of repudiation of violence here. So the author tells us the gruesome story of the massacre not to praise Elijah or hold it up as an example for imitation, but to lead us on to Horeb and to get us to see that this is not what God is like at all. Remember that the Bible is not simply the rejection of violence, but the story of the process by which people came to reject it.
The Prophet Micaiah I Kings 22:1-28.
This passage gives an almost textbook definition of what a prophet is. The court prophets give Ahab a favorable answer, but they are functioning as a group, not as individuals. Jehoshaphat is not convinced, no doubt aware that their answer is the product of mob-dynamics rather than any desire for the truth. Ahab is honest enough to say that he doesn’t like Micaiah because he only gives unfavorable prophecy. Having been used to doing his wife’s bidding and to the ways of the prophets of Baal, Ahab cannot imagine why a prophet would not just be a voice to give support to the king’s plans, whatever they may be. In front of the kings we find All the prophets in a state of ecstasy before them (v.10) the ecstasy is probably the result of preparing for war. Then we hear:
Zedekiah, son of Kenaanah, who had made himself some iron horns, said: "Yahweh says ‘With horns like these You will gore the Aramaeans till you make an end of them.’" And all the prophets cried ecstatically in the same veins saying: "March on Ramoth in Gilead! Success is sure for Yahweh has already given it to the king!" (vv. 11-12)
The author wants us to see what is going on here. the prophets are really like a group of warriors gearing up for battle, and Yahweh in fact says nothing of the kind.
Enter Micaiah, who is told in no uncertain terms by the king’s messenger to give a favorable message. The author spares no effort in getting us to see through the nature of false prophesy. He must speak the same as all the others. He’s being instructed to speak with the voice of the mob. The author is also showing us how difficult it is for Micaiah to say anything else, how enormous the pressure to conform. Micaiah’s first words are exactly the words of the other prophets; Success is sure for Yahweh has already given it to the king. He is ridiculing them and possibly also the king and the king knows this. Possibly that little sentence had already become a chant, a war cry, a slogan. The king recognizes this straight away and urges him to stop playing around and simply tell the truth. So he does and tells the king that the military campaign will not be a success and that Yahweh revealed how he would put a deceptive spirit into the mouths of the prophets.
This ability to stand out of the crowd is something which typified the prophets. The pressure to conform is almost irresistible, both socially and psychologically, and yet he can rise above it. Here we see the true religion of Yahweh as something which involves individual choice and is not simply a function of the group.
Approximately 100 of the Psalms make explicit mention of the enemies, of the individual being attacked by a crowd. Here, for the first time in history is the voice of the individual victim being allowed to rise above the voice of the mob, who ordinarily assume that right, and therefore God is on their side. In the psalms God is always on the side of the victim against the mob, although sometimes the aggressor seems to be God himself – an understandable human reaction to great suffering NOT REALIZING that Satan is deceiving them to believe it is God. This, along with the praise of God is the main business of Israel’s prayer, and this is quite unique among the religions of the world. If we take the Psalms as revelation, and therefore that in them God is teaching us how to pray, then the plight of the victim of mob violence seems to be one of God’s main concerns.
Nowhere is this made clearer than in the suffering servant of Isaiah. Here somehow the crowd confess that they had scape-goated this victim/servant. They assumed that God was punishing him: We thought of him as someone being punished, struck with affliction by God. But they realize that not only was God on the side of this victim – something unique in the OT, but that through him God brings about healing: that this one who is cursed is actually the source of their peace. We have been healed by his bruises.
It is possible that the prophet who saw these things happening in various ways in his own life and the lives of his people realized that some day there would be an individual for whom this would become truer and more real than ever before. He realized that the story was not over yet, that this was not just a reflection of things past but also of things to come. Leonardo da Vinci designed a helicopter some three hundred years before the first one was made. He knew that scientifically it was possible, but no one at the time had the technical competence to make his plans real. That had to wait. This prophesy too had to wait for someone to come along who would make it really happen, whose life and death would make all it said come true,that someone was JESUS,THE PRINCE OF PEACE!
"Atheism turns out to be too simple. If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning. . ." – Mere Christianity
Witchcraft: the real truth exsposed! Some personal Testimonies of Deliverance from Darkness!

Can God deliver from deep depression and darkness? The answer to this question is of course..YES...YES...YES!!!
Just think about it....If your "god " can't deliver from anything...WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU SERVE IT? If God is God then He should be able to accomplish anything no matter what it my be..right? Well I'm here to tell you that JESUS CHRIST is God and HE CAN AND WILL SAVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT YOU'VE DONE...he love's you deeply.
The personal testimony of Clarence F. Sargent.....
C.S. Lewis once said: “A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” and Albert Einstein said:“What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism”
My name is Clarence; I’m a Minister of the Gospel of the true and living God. My life was changed in Aug of the year 1979 when I accepted Jesus into my heart. I now ask you to sit back and listen to what I have to say, don’t judge what I’m saying before I finish. I have no illusions that I will change your mind about what God can and will do for your life; BUT I do know for a fact that IF you will believe what I’m telling you today that your life will never be the same. I was raised in a small town called Taunton Mass after having moved from Ellsworth Maine where I was born where to this day, I do not know who my real mother and father were but because I know of the Sovereignty of God and his personal care of my life, I can go on with my life knowing his plans have my best interest at heart. In his plan, I was adopted at birth by a very loving couple who was childless and really wanted me, my mother Mary a back-slidden Baptist and my Father Alexander Sargent an agnostic when it came to all things spiritual. But realize that I only found out about my adoption at 29 years old; long after both my mom and my dad had died and I had already become a Christian, I received a letter from the social security administration telling me of a Sister who wished to get in touch with me. My Sister Shirley told me that my real mom ( A full blooded native American Indian) had wanted an abortion because she could not care for me and my siblings (this is the ultimate rejection of a child before they have time to ever see the world.)
She was actually at the doors of the clinic when some pro-life people talked her into adoption instead of murdering me, thank God for those who will stand up and stand out in this world for something good; if they had not, I would be among the millions a dead babies in a dumpster somewhere.
I think you know where I stand on abortion as a result of this personal experience?
I was rasied in a lower middle class family and not used to the so-called "good things in life" as far as wealth is concerned but I was loved and that’s what really mattered anyway.
The personal testimony of Clarence F. Sargent.....
C.S. Lewis once said: “A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell.” and Albert Einstein said:“What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism”
My name is Clarence; I’m a Minister of the Gospel of the true and living God. My life was changed in Aug of the year 1979 when I accepted Jesus into my heart. I now ask you to sit back and listen to what I have to say, don’t judge what I’m saying before I finish. I have no illusions that I will change your mind about what God can and will do for your life; BUT I do know for a fact that IF you will believe what I’m telling you today that your life will never be the same. I was raised in a small town called Taunton Mass after having moved from Ellsworth Maine where I was born where to this day, I do not know who my real mother and father were but because I know of the Sovereignty of God and his personal care of my life, I can go on with my life knowing his plans have my best interest at heart. In his plan, I was adopted at birth by a very loving couple who was childless and really wanted me, my mother Mary a back-slidden Baptist and my Father Alexander Sargent an agnostic when it came to all things spiritual. But realize that I only found out about my adoption at 29 years old; long after both my mom and my dad had died and I had already become a Christian, I received a letter from the social security administration telling me of a Sister who wished to get in touch with me. My Sister Shirley told me that my real mom ( A full blooded native American Indian) had wanted an abortion because she could not care for me and my siblings (this is the ultimate rejection of a child before they have time to ever see the world.)
She was actually at the doors of the clinic when some pro-life people talked her into adoption instead of murdering me, thank God for those who will stand up and stand out in this world for something good; if they had not, I would be among the millions a dead babies in a dumpster somewhere.
I think you know where I stand on abortion as a result of this personal experience?
I was rasied in a lower middle class family and not used to the so-called "good things in life" as far as wealth is concerned but I was loved and that’s what really mattered anyway.
BUT all that was soon to change because of a stupid decision of mine. I began to practice the occult in my teen years; but it all started one afternoon when I was 6 years old sitting in front of the “boob tube” watching an innocent television show called “Bewitched” from the moment that show aired I was hooked on the concept at least, of witchcraft; very innocently at first but nevertheless hooked. The Craft appealed to me on so many levels both physically and spiritually. I was already an introvert with very few friends and low self esteem in school, other than the few "out-casts" smoking dope in the parking lot of my school. And being an only child caused me to develop many imaginary friends. Now I believe this is Healthy, to a point, but as I grew up these imaginary friends transformed to drive my interest in the Occult and Drugs. They were demonic in nature and not the "imaginary friends" I thought they were. My interest was peaked and driven by these "familiar spirits" while watching that show and I went headlong into a downward spiral from there. But EVEN AS a child I knew that " Hollywood Witch-craft " was not the real thing; which is the reason I desired to know the real practices and THEREIN lies the true danger of parents allowing their children to view and read things WITHOUT PROPER SUPERVISION; the television is NOT a babysitter. Please understand, that it’s alright for an older child to be curious about these things. Just as long as YOU the Christian parent are there to guide them away from the "evil nature" of the content. Explaining to them why God hates those things in a reasonable manner not to frighten but inform. Let's face it;it’s the great special effects that are the lure into the trap. But that will not stand before a holy God at the judgment seat as your excuse why your family fell victim to the Crafts lies.
I dedicated myself without any direction from adults, to find out about this ancient earth religion. As I began studying and looking for deeper truths in the world of magic and sorcery I was witness both to its "beauty of focus" and its pure "savagery of intent".
It wasn’t until after my adopted Mom died when I was only 17 that I was free to do as I pleased....and boy did I do as I pleased!
I jumped headlong into drugs, Drinking, and Partying while trying to keep up a c+ to b average in high school. Failing many courses because a lack of focus on them and because many of my teachers just wanted me out of their classes passing me through without the proper training. I became a Wiccan but only as a private practitioner taking a course in the art of magic by Gavin and Yvonne Frost.
The Wiccan fascination I had did not last very long as I was hungry for a darker side; the more power and knowledge of the occult the better. I began to delve deeper and deeper into the so-called "Deep things of Occult Knowledge“. I found myself reading Anton LaVeys "Satanic Bible" just to rebel against the God who I felt “TOOK MY MOM FROM ME”.
I began mixing in Aleister Crowley's works on magic with the Wiccan practices. I would study these books and many others on my lunch and library breaks. I found that the the "Man, Myth, and Magic" encyclopedia series was a great source of knowledge and read from it every day. But Just about anything dealing with works on Witchcraft I would give place to, "Drawing down the Moon" was a favorite of mine.
The occult became an obsession! A lifestyle that I was hooked on just like my drug use, it became a “Mind-altering“ experience. I learned still more from friends and people I didn't know closely. Many of them were Questionable at best but they knew what I wanted to know, how to tell fortunes and use Tarot cards and playing cards to make money on the side.
I began to cast spells on others, while I worshiped the horned god and the goddess. I mixed all this knowledge together to form my own form of the Craft, never being a conformist I made it my own and would put it all in my journal called a "Witches Book of Shadows".
The Book of Shadows is a Witch's greatest tool. It provides a place for all personal Craft secrets, your spell work, rituals, family traditions if you have any, almost anything a Witch can think or act on is contained in this book.
As I figured out what my personal practices were I would write them in this journal.
This was my personal "bible" to turn to anytime I needed help with a spell or spiritual concept, its ancient name is called a "Grimoire".
I soon found out that when I would cast spells of evil intent on those I hated or disliked it began to work and I would also work "good magic" on those I liked that worked also. Everything seemed to be going my way. But the problems I was going through at this time in life had nothing to do with what happened to me in the daytime hours when I worshiped other gods and goddesses. It wasn't even my study time in the craft when I gained deeper knowledge and power as a black witch. My real problems began at night time, it was an issue of fear and discontent both in my dreams and waking hours. I was in a constant deeply seated fear at the height of my power as a witch. And no matter what anyone tells you about the Craft; good or bad it will produce the same results that any lifestyle outside of God’s grace produces, and that is DEATH IN YOUR LIFE.
Deut. 7:26 says:
“Do not bring a detestable thing into your house or you, like it, will be set apart for destruction. Utterly abhor and detest it, for it is set apart for destruction.”
Lev. 20:27; 19:26 the second part of the verse says:
“A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist (wizard KJV) among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads. Do not practice divination or sorcery.”
Lev. 20:6 says: “I will set my face against the person who turns to mediums and spiritists (wizards KJV) to prostitute himself by following them, and I will cut him off from his people.”
Is. 47:13-14 says clearly:
“ Let your astrologers come forward, those stargazers who make predictions month by month, let them save you from what is coming upon you. Surely they are like stubble; the fire will burn them up. They cannot even save themselves from the power of the flame. “
I am a Christian now and I’m proud of it, but I’m NOT RELIGIOUS and will not fit willingly into any denominational mold.
I mean let’s be real here-Religion has killed and maimed it’s share of truth at the alter of good intention JUST as atheism has murdered it’s share FREE-THOUGHT.
Let’s face real facts here for once shall we? BOTH RELIGION AND HUMANISM have dropped the ball as far as getting it right is concerned, so let’s not blow smokescreens up each others HINDQUARTERS about what’s true and what’s not.
A personal relationship is what God requires, he’s never been interested in “Church-ianity” or any form of man-made silliness.
It’s about YOU and God, and not about YOU FITTING INTO A MOLD of like minded minds. I am always amazed when those who hate God say “I cannot be a part of a faith that attacks science and reality.” as if science were a humanistic invention, if you believe that you must have failed in history. Science has many Christian roots. Most of the early scientists were Christians such as Copernicus, Galileo, Pascal, Isaac Newton, Johannes Keppler, Robert Boyle, Louis Pasteur, Jean Henri Fabre, Michael Faraday, and John Ambrose Fleming.
These great scientists operated within a Christian framework.
An interesting fact is that the vast majority of all scientific development has come out of western civilization, what are the odds of that happening? And IT had Christianity as its basis to top that off.
The idea is that the “laws of nature” came from Christianity, NOT HUMANISM; not to mention that the concepts of subduing nature and being stewards of nature are right from the first book of the Bible--Genesis and not in any way the invention of witches.
THAT IS WHY I view God as a rational and trustworthy person, which implies automatically that His creation is rational and orderly and thus can be examined FOR EVIDENCE OF HIS FINGERPRINTS.
Nature in the Christian view (as compared to our non-Christian worldviews such as witchcraft) is that nature is no longer an object of fear and worship, because let‘s face it…we only “worship in ignorance” what we “Fear in ignorance”. God on the other hand only DEMANDS KNOWLEDGEABLE WORSHIP. It is “False Religion” that MYSTIFIES GOD to the point that you can’t relate to him BUT must “BLINDLY FOLLOW PRECEPTS AND RULES THAT MAKE NO SENSE” to a freethinking mind. We need to do a self-check, to make sure we get rid of all of our idols, good luck charms, crosses, medallions, and demonic symbols. We must repent fully of trusting in fate, destiny, and luck: and put our whole trust in the Living Christ, follow Him wholeheartedly without exception to our fears from the past.
Trusting in fate or luck is clearly a dependence upon evil spirits which I knew as “familiars.”
Now getting back to my testimony, as I alluded to earlier God’s plan for my life was set long before I was ever born and no matter what bad decisions I was making; up to this point, in fact I was on the very path to running into his power; that I had been running from, because he had the nerve to put two Christians into my life that could not be SCARED OR MOVED by my appearance or actions.
REMEMBER I was a full out witch in both dress and lifestyle, they kept coming anyway, day after day and that impressed me. They were always inviting me to go to their church and NEVER GIVE UP ON ME!
And so, one fateful Wednesday night Bible Study I sat at the BACK of this little Church of God in Cheyenne Wyoming. I came into the sanctuary half Drunk and half High, not wanting to be there at all.
Much of the service I cannot recall BUT I do remember hearing the statement that God “did not hate me for what I'd done, no matter how bad but that HIS LAWS REQUIRED HIS JUDGMENT on my soul”
God’s LOVE reached down and touched this Witch and suffered him NOT to live a life without hope, reviving me into NEW LIFE with Christ!
I witnessed a literal shaft of Light shine down into my darkened mind and for the first time in over 8 years I could think for myself without the "VOICES OF DEMONS" interfering with my thoughts. That evening the "night in my soul" became "DAYTIME" for me and now I can proudly say I am a new creation. All the OLD dark things "HAVE PASSED AWAY" as useless relics of the past and Jesus is my Lord and Savior!
Of course there are those who will think "Well, that's you, you were "special to God" and he loved you then, more than me now. I've done too many "sick and unforgivable" things for God to love me!" THAT IS A LIE!God loves ALL MANKIND EQUALLY AND WITHOUT BEING PARTIAL TO ANY PERSON.
It is Satan, the MASTER of the HALF-TRUTH that tells us these things.
It is only because HE LOST IT ALL TO HIS OWN PRIDE that he wants YOU to suffer for his stupidity by following his path.
Don't let him lie to you, God thinks as much of you as he does of his own son. Just give him your heart and he'll do the rest!

A spiritual adventure of another witch:
"My walk in darkness began when I was about three. I was sexually abused by my father. Unable to cope with the trauma, I developed alternate personalities to carry out the everyday demands of life. I retreated from life as much as I could, and had no real friends until Eighth grade.
Growing up in a hostile, abusive environment, I became addicted to seconals as a teenager, and I experimented with a great many drugs. My preference was always LSD. I dated and married abusive men. There was much violence in my life, a lot of death, a lot of horror. I never knew peace. Because my father read the Bible a lot, and shouted scriptures, I was confused about Jesus.
I became fascinated by the occult. I believed that my will, if strong and directed properly, could change anything. This is one of the foundations of witchcraft, which I started to embrace. I found the study appealing at the time, though difficult.
I began to be haunted in my dreams by a woman dancing in a way I had never seen before. It was breathtakingly beautiful. Supposing she must be another witch who wanted to teach me something, I began looking for her.
I was getting sick. Physically, the doctors could find nothing wrong. I was getting thinner, and increasingly, the spirits I thought I controlled were beginning to control me - taking over the body, while I was somewhere on the ceiling watching the horror they inflicted.
I called my best friend, who knew Jesus. She said, 'The Lord will bring a sword between us if you don't come out of witchcraft.' She had never known I was involved in witchcraft. I had kept her from knowing my beliefs. Then she asked me to visit a church where she knew they weren't afraid to help abused women. She asked me to promise to just sit through one service. I promised. She knew I would do all I could to keep my word.
I'm glad of that promise, because it was the only thing that kept me in my seat. I had been in and out of all kinds of churches, but none of them affected me because they were spiritually dead. The presence of the Lord was not there. But it was very different in this place! I was ill before I reached the door. Nauseous, and in pain - tearing pain - I rode an emotional rollercoaster. It was like some bad drug having an alien affect on me. Suddenly, I wanted to hurt people in the church. I wanted to hit them and tear the skin off their faces. I knew I had no personal problem with these people, to cause all these feelings to erupt. Then, when the haze of pain began to clear, who should I see dancing before the altar worshipping the Lord but the woman in my dreams!
Now, beside the promise, I had another reason to fight to stay. I was beginning to realize that there must really and truly be a God, a supreme God, just like all the Bible stories. That woman in my dreams was here. I gripped the chair in front of me until my knuckles turned white, and I stayed.
The pastor was such a gifted speaker, that even the pain and nausea began to fade as I concentrated on what he was saying. He was talking about Jesus but in a real way - one that I could relate to in everyday life. He had my attention.
As he was beginning to draw to a close, he stopped, as though he could hear something that we couldn't. Then he said, 'There is someone here whose only wish is to die, because she is so tired. Rae? Rachel? Rachel, will you come to me?'
In one overwhelming second, I suddenly knew that this God loved me, called me by name, and wanted to know me. Without hesitation I stood up. I had tried committing suicide several times in my life. I was so tired; all I had really wanted was to die. But God knew this. He had to have told this man, who was a stranger to me and yet had called me by name. I had to get to the front of the church! But the spirits took over and the battle was on. They recognized the pastor, and told him in the ugliest voice ever to come from my body, 'I know you!'
The pastor, must have somehow known by the Holy Spirit about these spirits. 'You will stop tearing the child,' he told them.
The pain stopped, but I began slithering like a snake. Then pray-ers in the church surrounded me. I couldn't breathe. I discovered later that that is an important sign. When evil spirits quit trying to intimidate, and show off by making the person unable to breathe, they are about to exit the body.
When I accepted Jesus, I immediately saw a glorious Being that I could not lift my unworthy face to look at. But the light . . . ! I can't describe it! There was a sword in his hands. It was covered in leaping flames. 'Take my sword,' he told me.
When I reached up for it I came into his world - Christ's realm. I was whole, and crying a river of tears - me who before would never allow myself to cry. There was healing in those tears.
I was also aware of the fear that the demons were in in those final moments. The Bible really is true: Every knee shall bow before Jesus. He is indeed Lord of Lords, King of Kings, and the Savior of our soul. There is no life and no peace without Jesus.
This is my birth experience into the Kingdom of the Living God. As 2 Timothy 1:7 says:
"For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self-discipline."
Fear was the first spirit to enter me, but one of the first things I learned is that God is love."
I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch!
. . .by William Schnoebelen
"I was a witch! I was a sold-out, goddess-worshipping witch!
When my "lady" and I chipped the ice out of a stream in the middle of Iowa wilderness to bathe and then celebrate the March equinox naked under the stars, we were totally consumed with zeal for the Wicca. We drove 170 miles one way every weekend to teach classes in Wicca in a car with a bumper sticker which said "In Goddess We Trust!"
We were kicked out of almost every apartment we tried to rent for wild circle dances and burning frankincense; and we had a firebomb thrown into one temple because we dared to publicly proclaim the goddess!
Wicca is one of the more seductive deceptions that Satan has come up with.(1) It is the contemporary name for the cult of so-called "white" witchcraft or Neo-Paganism, which has been enjoying a renaissance in the United States.
It claims to be a "back to nature" religion which worships the sky and earth, and thus has attracted many adherents among those sympathetic to environmental and ecology issues. Yet, for all its charm and nostalgic fantasy, Wicca drew me into the deepest quagmire of satanic evil imaginable.
Almost everything we did back then raised eyebrows. Regrettably, we see people today doing things openly that we had to do in secret. We see books that used to only be available in dark, musty occult bookstores now being sold openly in shopping malls. The meditation practices we taught in secret witchcraft circles are now being taught in "respectable" churches.
Naturally, we believed we were doing good. I was a sincere devotee of the chief deity of Wicca, the Great Mother. At first I believed the rites we did were for the benefit of humanity and the earth itself. I also believed what I was told: that there was a profound difference between the Wicca and those called satanists or devil-worshipers.
I thought that the whole meaning of Wicca was beneficial rituals to nature deities like Pan, Diana or Cernunnos; and of course rites of passage and initiation. I stood, blindfolded, naked and bound at the edge of the Circle "which is placed between the worlds." I heard the words of the Great Mother and felt the prick of the swordpoint challenging my courage. I was anointed as a "Priest of the Goddess" and learned her secret name. I gave my life to her service.
I truly believed that she was the One "who was with me from the beginning, and who was attained at the end of desire." I walked the earth and felt her a living, breathing thing; and I worshiped her as "Holy Mother Earth."
It took me sixteen years of ardent devotion to her and the Craft to find out that I was terribly wrong. I had to learn the hard way that my only hope for true spiritual fulfillment in life was Jesus Christ!
I finally learned in the most graphic fashion imaginable that the difference between witchcraft or Wicca and satanism is actually non-existent. To be sure, an anthropologist or sociologist of religion might find them different, but such distinctions mean little when you are gambling with the eternal fate of your own immortal soul.
The actual spiritual difference between Wicca and satanism might best be illustrated this way: Practicing Wicca is like having a hand-grenade blow up in your face, in terms of the spiritual impact. Practicing satanism is like having a neutron bomb detonate in your face. The difference is there and discernable, but it is still an utter disaster for you, either way.
In eternal perspective, the disaster of Wicca is altogether real and no less dangerous than that neutron bomb.
Why Should YOU Believe This Warning?
Before we discuss this subject, allow me to give my credentials. I was initiated into the Alexandrian Wicca on Imbolc, February 2, 1973 and made a High Priest and Magus is September of the same year. That summer my lady and I were also promoted to the High Priestly rank in the Druidic Craft of the Wise. We also helped establish a Church of All Worlds "nest" in Milwaukee and studied under Gavin and Yvonne Frost and their Church and School of Wicca.
Wicca has many "denominations" or traditions. Some are large and well-known, like the Alexandrian, Gardnerian, Druidic, Welsh Traditionalist, Gerogian, Dianic and Church of Wicca. Others are as small as a single coven or 13, or even a family tradition.
My wife and I established covens all over the Midwest; Dubuque and Davenport, Iowa; Madison and Milwaukee, Wisconsin; and Chicago. Over the years, we advanced to higher levels of witchcraft. Up to our departure from the city of Milwaukee in 1984, we were presiding over one of the oldest and largest networks of covens in the Midwest.
About a year after becoming a High Priest (1974), I was told by our initiators that Wicca was not what it seemed. Although much of the extant literature written by witches (and Dr. Margaret Murray's work(2)) would lead one to believe that Wicca is a survival of the ancient pagan fertility cults, especially of Northern Europe and the British Isles; there is not a shred of real historical proof for any connection between Bronze Age cults and modern witchcraft.
I learned from our initiators that it seemed that Wicca is, in fact, a manufactured religion not much older than this century. There did not seem to be evidence for any Book of Shadows (a combined "bible" and ritual book for Wiccans) much older than the 1910's!
You see, Wicca is one of Satan's "nicer" creations, tailor-made for the last half of this century. Although it may have existed for perhaps a century at most, it "came out of the broom closet" in 1951, when the British laws against witchcraft were repealed.(3) It is nothing really new, but its packaging is subtly different, tailored to a world strangling on its own technology and dying for romance, idealism and meaning.
A Cult of Deception
You may say: "So you got sucked in too deep. So what? I've been a witch for years and never got into that satanic junk. It's just a Christian myth for real losers. As long as I stay where I am, I'm cool. I'm happy!" That may be so, but do you honestly want to belong to a cult that deals in deception?
Let's look at the word, "Wicca," as an example. The OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY reveals that the word does not mean "wise one." It means twisted, bent, or warped. Even Margot Adler admits that the word has its roots in the Indo-European roots "wic" or "weik" meaning "to bend or to turn." Of course, she tries to put the best possible face on it by saying that:
"According to this view, a Witch would be a woman ( or man) skilled in the art of shaping, bending and changing reality." (4)
Elsewhere, she asserts that:
"The lexicographical (dictionary) definitions of witch are rather confusing and bear little relation to the definitions given by Witches themselves."(5)
But this is playing games, the same sort of word games most cultists play to conceal the truth. By this standard, anyone, including Anton LaVey, could say they were a witch and be right.
Yet you should hear the howls of rage among the Neo-Pagan community when even Gavin and Yvonne Frost first claimed to be witches. They couldn't be witches, they were monotheists, fakes and gay-bashers! So all of a sudden there WAS an objective standard of what makes one a witch. Yet like many things in occultism, it vanishes like mist when you try and pin it down.
In my own personal development as a witch, and the development of almost all our colleagues, I found that after about five or six yeaars it was necessary to begin pursuing the study of the "Higher Wisdom" of Satan in order to keep growing. Magick is like a drug. You keep needing more in order to stay at a level at which you feel fulfilled. There is no end to it!
If you've stayed a Wiccan or "white" witch for a long time, it's only because you don't have enough of the Promethean itch to grow. OR it may be that you have many Christian friends or loved ones praying for you. Did you ever think of that?"
FootnotesIntroduction1. Wicca, pronounced "Wicha," contrary to popular practice, is the term most witches prefer to use for their faith. They pronounce it "Wikka" and frequently assert that it means "Wise One."2. Margaret Murray's books, THE WITCH CULT IN WESTERN EUROPE and THE GOD OF THE WITCHES, did much to popularize the concept that Wicca is a survival of ancient religions. In recent years, though, their scholarship has been seriously challenged.3. See Margot Adier's DRAWING DOWN THE MOON, Beacon Press, Boston, 1986 rev. ed., p.46.4. Adler.p.11.5. lbid.p.10.
* This chapter was used by permission from William Schnoebelen's book Wicca:Satan's Little White Lie". &nb sp;
Kimberly's Story - From Wicca to Christ
"When I read Candace's story I couldn't help but feel an eerie sence of familiarity. Much of what had happened to her happened to me, just not to the same harsh extent.
Growing up I had never been to church (beyond the occasional wedding) and my family never really spoke much of God or religion. We were a happy family and maybe that's why we never talked about God or questioned his existence. We never had anything bad happen to make us ask "why?". Then I became a teenager.
I don't know why I was attracted to the rebellious side of being a teen. I wasn't doing it on purpose, it's just what I really wanted to be like. My "crowd" wasn't a bad one, at least we didn't think so, but we got into trouble now and then. I started smoking, ciggerattes and marijuana,drinking and staying out all night and lying to my Mother. I was having sex at 13 and pregnancy scares at 14. I didn't care, I was having fun. Then it all went downhill.
I had broken up with my boyfriend of 5 years, and I was only 16. I started to do anything for any guy who would give me the time of day. Then I did get pregnant, and I thought maybe I had found love again, but it wasn't so. He never beat me but the verbal abuse I put up with threw me into a deep depresion. I tried so hard to be a good mother and house wife (even though we were not married) and nothing was ever good enough. He called me a slut and a whore. He refused to claim his daughter when he knew I was with no one else. He called me fat and lazy while I was pregnant. Sometimes I wished he would have beaten me. It probably would have hurt less. When I thought I could not take it anymore and was on the verge of suicide I happened upon something that would change my life.
I was watching an afternoon talk show one day. The subject was a new religion called Wicca. I heard them talk of thier love and worship of nature and all living creatures and the spiritual force of the earth and I was hooked. I went out and found everything I could on wicca. I trained and practiced and finally I proclaimed myself a bonafide witch. Wicca had opened up a whole new world for me. It gave me hope, it helped me with struggles, and it made me friends. It was a community where I belonged. For once I was happy. I found the courage to take my 3 year old daughter and leave her father, and it was the best choice I had ever made. I moved into my own apartment and I was in total bliss. No more complaining if something wasn't cleaned right or put away in the right place. I was finally on my own. But on your own can be a very lonely place.
I started to pray to my God and Goddess for someone to love me the way I needed to be loved. Someone that understood me. And it happened. He was perfect in every way and we really got along great. We saw each other for a couple of weeks and then we slept together and I never heard from him again. I found out a while later that he was a virgin and that he had only used me to "get it over with" so to speak. I was crushed. What self-esteem I had rebuilt was gone and I went wild. I started sneaking into bars and taking guys home I didn't even know for meaningless sex. Sometimes these guys were 30 or 40 years old and I was only 19 going on 20. I had gone from having had slept with nine people to twenty seven people in two months. I had given up all hope of ever finding someone to love. Then I met Jeff.
I met him while I was working at one of my twelve jobs that I had had in that year. I had never seen him before but I just couldn't get him out of my head. Well he kept coming back and it turned out that his ex-girlfriend was my co-worker and he had her ask me out. I said yes and we went to the only place I knew how to talk to guys at, the bar. We hit it off instantly and I could tell that he wasn't like other guys. At the end of the night he asked for my phone number but I knew as I handed it to him that he would never call. Much to my surprise the phone rang the next day and it was him asking me out on a second date. I twas the start of a long and beautiful relationship. But there was one problem. My beliefs were a conflict to his.
He was a strict Christian and I was a witch. He never said anything but I could tell it bothered him. So finally one night we sat down and talked about it. I explained to him that it was what I had chosen because I knew of no other choice. He would talk to me about God and the Bible and I had no idea of anything that he said. So he taught me. I resented it at first but then I started to see so many things falling in to place that I had given dumb luck and Wicca credit for. He explained to me that Christianity was not a religion, it was a relationship. He never got frustrated, even when I did and was patient.
Almost a year into our relationship I accepted Jesus Christ and became a Christian. I have never been happier. I realize now that my ultimate unhappiness came from not knowing where I was going. I know now. "
Kimberly S. Pa
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- BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN YOU SAY "I'M SAVED!" AND STIL...
- ARE "Y.O.U." REALLY SAVED? Yes, I'm talking to you...
- Basic Demon Names
- True Christian Conversion...What Causes it? by Da...
- How to Deliver from Demon Possession
- Can a Christian be Possesed?
- PART 5 The problem of "Sexual Soul Ties" and Polu...
- PART 4 "Idolworship" produces Violence in the Lan...
- PART 3 The connection between "Idol Worship" and...
- PART 2 The Bible and Graphic Violence! Why did Go...
- PART 1 What about the Bible's View's on Violence!...
- PART 9 My last appeal to Reason about Human Judge...
- PART 8 A response about Human Suffering!
- PART 7 A RESPONSE to an ATHEIST Essay with a new ...
- PART 6 of A RESPONSE TO AN ATHEIST ON GOD'S CHARAC...
- PART 5 A RESPONSE to an ATHEIST ABOUT "GENOCIDE"
- PART 4 A response about "HELL" and a loving God!
- PART 3 My response to an Atheist Essay!
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- A Challenge to the Atheist and Skeptic.
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A WORD TO THE WISE CHRISTIAN!
Above are some of the MANY apologetics Ministries that we all trust to Defend the Bible and God before the world..BUT, let this serve as A WARNING TO ALL WHO TRUST MEN WITH TOTAL TRUTH! Just because they are SMART in one area of expertise DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY "HAVE GODLY SENSE" when it comes to deep spiritual matters of the faith...SO I WILL INCLUDE OTHER SITES TO BALANCE THEIR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE IN THESE AREAS..............................................
IN DEFENCE OF THE WORD OF FAITH & HEALING!
- Do you need Healing....Get faith for it NOW!
- Creative Miracles..... Absolute Proof! (Video)
- Proof God heals by Creating Body parts in Faith!
- The School of the Prophets
- Heresy Hunters EXPOSED!!
- Rhema Faith Teaching Index
- Victory Through the Word Ministries
- Heath Jarvis Ministries
- Defending the Word of Faith
2 TIMOTHY 3:12-17 ( Amplified Bible )
"Indeed all who delight in piety and are determined to live a devoted and godly life in Christ Jesus will meet with persecution [will be made to suffer because of their religious stand].
But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
But as for you, continue to hold to the things that you have learned and of which you are convinced, knowing from whom you learned [them],
And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness]. Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action), So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work."
But wicked men and imposters will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and leading astray others and being deceived and led astray themselves.
But as for you, continue to hold to the things that you have learned and of which you are convinced, knowing from whom you learned [them],
And how from your childhood you have had a knowledge of and been acquainted with the sacred Writings, which are able to instruct you and give you the understanding for salvation which comes through faith in Christ Jesus [through the leaning of the entire human personality on God in Christ Jesus in absolute trust and confidence in His power, wisdom, and goodness]. Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action), So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work."
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WHY NO ANSWERS FROM SKEPTICS?
You will notice in your travel throughout the Skeptic mindset that they spend MORE TIME MAKING FUN OF and Mocking CREATION SCIENCE THAN THEY DO PROVIDING REAL SOLID ANSWERS TO OUR PRESENTATIONS! Creationists ONLY ask for PROOF ON THE SUBJECT OF THE "GENERAL THEORY" of Evolution NOT MICRO EVOLUTION WHICH IS A FACT and does not in ANY WAY PROVE THE GENERAL THEORY TRUE.That is why the MANY MONEY OFFERS FROM CREATION SCIENTISTS REMAIN IN THE BANK...Such as these BELOW: In order to stay on this page it will be easier to RIGHT CLICK ON THE LINK & OPEN IT IN A NEW TAB.........................................................................
Detailed exploration of our Christian Faith! And Islam by Ex-Muslim"s!
- ANSWERING THE SKEPTICS!!
- Bible Contradictions...EXPLAINED!
- Bible Skeptics and God Haters -By Rick Dack
- Biblical Trinity is NOT borrowed from the pagans!
- Birth and Death of an Atheist
- Christian vs Atheist DEBATE!
- EX-ATHEIST SITE!
- EXPLORING CHRISTIANITY!
- FAMOUS (In their minds) RELIGOUS SKEPTICS & ATHEISTS!
- FOXES BOOK OF MARTYRS ONLINE
- Is Christianity a Cult? Find out!
- Islam is "Repackaged Polytheism".
- ISLAM WATCH
- REASONABLE FAITH WEB-SITE!
- Science Proves the Bible
- The Resurrection in HARMONY!
- THE SKEPTICS DICTIONARY(KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN)
- What do we know about Jesus - from non-biblical sources?
- Where Belief Meets Reality!
Find out more about the HISTORICAL JESUS!
- Rebutting the Myths about Jesus! Myth #1
- The Real Jesus: Myth #2
- The Real Jesus: Myth #3 on the Virgin Birth!
- The Real Jesus: Myth #4 His Birth place!
- Contradictions in the Gospels? Myth # 5
- The Real Jesus: Myth #6 Miracles: Fact or Fiction?
- The Real Jesus: Myth #7 Being Raised from the Dead
- Was Jesus a REAL PERSON? Find out!
- The Resurrection..did it happen?
- The Jesus Institute.org
- Facts About Christ...for Every Student!
Deliverence FROM Darkness is possible!
- 101 Scientific Proofs the Bible is Fact!!!
- NO PROBLEM IS TO BIG FOR GOD! If you need help contact these people!
- EX-PAGAN for CHRIST!
- Exposing Satanism & Witchcrafts
- Salvation Tesamonies from U.S. &Canada
- The Bible & the Occult
- What the Bible says about addictions!
- Harvest Warriors- Rebecca Brown M.D.
The Bible stands TRUE no matter what!
EVER SINCE THE EARLY PROPHETS & KINGS MADE THE STATEMENTS CONTAINED IN THE WORD OF GOD: THE ENEMIES OF GOD HAVE "TWISTED" AND MISAPPLIED WHAT WAS SAID BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT BRING THEMSELVES TO OBEY THE MESSAGE PRESENTED TO THEM! BUT FOR 2,000 YEARS THE BIBLE HAS STOOD AS A TESTIMONY TO THE STRENGTH OF GOD AND HIS PEOPLE!
Sites to find FACTS about God!
So you like your N.I.V. so-called bible! TRY THIS!
By Rex L. Cobb
INSTRUCTIONS:
Using the New International Version Bible, answer the following questions to this NIV quiz.
Do not rely on your memory. As the Bible is the final authority, you must take the answer from the Bible verse (not from footnotes but from the text).
- Fill in the missing words in Matthew 5:44. "Love your enemies,__________ them that curse you, ______________ to them that hate you, and pray for them that __________ and persecute you."
- According to Matthew 17:21, what two things are required to cast out this type of demon?
- According to Matthew 18:11, why did Jesus come to earth?
- According to Matthew 27:2, what was Pilate's first name?
- In Matthew 27:35, when the wicked soldiers parted His garments, they were fulfilling the words of the prophet. Copy what the prophet said in Matthew 27:35 from the NIV.
- In Mark 3:15, Jesus gave the apostles power to cast out demons and to: ____________
- According to Mark 7:16, what does a man need to be able to hear?
- According to Luke 7:28, what was John? (teacher, prophet, carpenter, etc.). What is his title or last name?
- In Luke 9:55, what did the disciples not know?
- In Luke 9:56, what did the Son of man not come to do? According to this verse, what did He come to do?
- In Luke 22:14, how many apostles were with Jesus?
- According to Luke 23:38, in what three languages was the superscription written?
- In Luke 24:42, what did they give Jesus to eat with His fish?
- John 3:13 is a very important verse, proving the deity of Christ. According to this verse (as Jesus spoke), where is the Son of man?
- What happened each year as told in John 5:4?
- In John 7:50, what time of day did Nicodemus come to Jesus?
- In Acts 8:37, what is the one requirement for baptism?
- What did Saul ask Jesus in Acts 9:6?
- Write the name of the man mentioned in Acts 15:34.
- Study Acts 24:6-8. What would the Jew have done with Paul? What was the chief captain's name? What did the chief captain command?
- Copy Romans 16:24 word for word from the NIV.
- First Timothy 3:16 is perhaps the greatest verse in the New Testament concerning the deity of Christ. In this verse, who was manifested in the flesh?
- In the second part of First Peter 4:14, how do [they] speak of Christ? And, what do we Christians do?
- Who are the three Persons of the Trinity in First John 5:7?
- Revelation 1:11 is another very important verse that proves the deity of Christ. In the first part of this verse Jesus said, "I am the A______________ and O___________, the _________ and the _______:"
Conclusion: Little space is provided for your answers, but it's much more than needed. If you followed the instructions above, you not only failed the test, you receive a big goose egg.
( These are all missing in the NIV.) So now what do you think of your "accurate, easy to understand, up to date Bible"?
If you would like to improve your score, and in fact score 100%, you can take this test using the Authorized (King James) Bible.
Will the REAL word from God stand out!
- Gail Riplinger's Response to James White's Critque
- Bibles friendly to New Age Doctrine
- New Age Bible Versions, by Gail Riplinger
- Manuscript Support for the Bible's Reliability
- The Bible's Manuscript Evidence
- BIBLE VERSIONS, Which is the real Word of God?
- The Real Bible at Charles Finney.com
- What the other side says about K.J. Only!
- Which Bible verses did the NIV Delet?
- The New Testament As It Gained Acceptance by the Early Church
- The Book of the Shepherd of Hermes
Messianic Jewishness of the Church!
- The New-Testament in Hebrew!
- The Mystery of the Menorah Revealed!
- Sabbath Truth!!
- Scripture for the Whole House of Israel!
- Learn Biblical Hebrew here.
- The Early Jewish Writings.
- All the Writings of the Early Church.
- REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST FOREVER!
- Myth's & Facts about Israel
- Messianic Jewish online!
- Why should my church learn it's Jewish Roots?
- JUST FOR FUN: Comic Book Religion
- The Virtual Jewish History Tour
You can't SELL your Soul if its not yours to sell!
ALL CONTRACTS NULL & VOID IN JESUS CHRIST! Have you SOLD your soul to your present lifestyle? Do you think..:
"I can't change what is now, I've gone to far from what God wants!" DON'T YOU BELIEVE IT, SATAN CANNOT KEEP WHAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM! He has deceived you into believing that you could sell your soul to him, YOU CAN'T SELL WHAT IS NOT YOURS TO SELL- YOUR SOUL BELONGS TO GOD NOT YOU...IT WAS CREATED TO SERVE HIM NOT SATAN!
Links to free videos online! About Creation!
It does not amaze me in the least that evolutionist scientists STILL after all these years insist upon trying to discredit Creation Science which has all the answers in abundance.
It would seem even to the UNTRAINED EYE that they simply have a complete lack of HONESTY and evidence or they would have refuted God from the beginning!
The web-site below is PROOF of this statement, it would do an evolutionist good to admit for ONCE that they DO NOT HAVE THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW!









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